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Old 05-19-2005, 02:06 AM
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i have to agree. If you're really bendings arms, it will not only
compromise the integrety, it will void warranty, and will alter the
rotation path of the arm when it compresses resulting in distorted
suspension geometry.

Just get the right parts to get the job done right or leave it stock
if you're so caught up on stock alignment measurements.

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I'm sure it works and I'm just speaking from initial impressions without any real knowledge of how it works. But my assumption is that bending parts may compromise structural integrity of said parts. That's where my comment stemmed from. But like I said, it's all an assumption. Until someone can tell me what is exactly done then it's just an initial comment so take it with a grain of salt.
 
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Old 05-19-2005, 11:33 AM
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What exactly are the alignment specs that Infiniti deems "within range"? I would say they were perfect if everything fell within range.
 
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Old 05-19-2005, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
If you're really bendings arms, it will not only
compromise the integrety, it will void warranty, and will alter the
rotation path of the arm when it compresses resulting in distorted
suspension geometry.
Bending the arms may change the integrity of the arms, but weather or not that part will fail is another story. These are some heavy duty parts, and I honestly IMO believe the parts will hold up for the life of the car if not longer.

Just get the right parts to get the job done right or leave it stock
if you're so caught up on stock alignment measurements.
And I don't understand the pessimistic attitude you're giving off regarding this guys attempt at getting his alignment back to tolerable numbers. It's a great alternative to aftermarket parts, it worked for him, and he's happy.

Who are you to tell this guy how to modify his car?
 
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Old 05-19-2005, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Moog
What exactly are the alignment specs that Infiniti deems "within range"? I would say they were perfect if everything fell within range.

Gsedan35 posted the specs on both the coupes and sedans and
his recommendations as well for sedan.


but, what you're saying is that for example, if the toe range is
0 to .22 per side and total toe of .44 on the rear, it could look
like this and still be considered 'perfect' ... I don't think so.

R toe 0.00 (within range)
L toe 0.22 (within range)

Total Toe: 0.22 (within range)


The car would be wandering on each bump on the right side and
thrust angle will be pretty bad.


There are some bias to each car especially if it had been in an
accident or chassis tweaked...perhaps suhki's car is tweaked
and the mechanic hand to compensate to minimize thrust
angle.
 
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Old 05-19-2005, 11:45 AM
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Point noted regarding not having both sides equal, but it may not have been possible given his setup.
 
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Old 05-19-2005, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Moog
And I don't understand the pessimistic attitude you're giving off regarding this guys attempt at getting his alignment back to tolerable numbers. It's a great alternative to aftermarket parts, it worked for him, and he's happy.

Who are you to tell this guy how to modify his car?

As my post above, there is a difference between "perfect alignment" and
"within specs."

The guy's alignment might be within factory tolerance, but it is not perfect.
but again, his car might have some bias and the tech may have had to
compensate.

Who am I? A person that is taking this post and mentioning there is a
difference between a perfect alignment or just being within tolerance.
I really don't care if he did or didn't use aftermarket parts. My point
is that there is a difference between a perfect and within tolerance
aligment results. that's all.

And sorry if I spoiled the party. Im happy that the guy is happy with his
car. But if it was my car, that toe-in is not acceptable.
 
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Old 05-19-2005, 11:59 AM
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Sure we can nitpick at his use of perfect not meaning the same to you, but this guy is happy with what he had done. Let's not rain on his parade and make him second guess the work he's had done.

FYI...from what I've been told by an alignment technician, slight toe-in is usually dialed in to keep the car driving straight.
 
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Old 05-19-2005, 12:03 PM
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Agreed!

Yes, toe-in adds in-line stability. But it needs to be equal or
close to on both sides.

imho and from experience, proper toe-in is more important than
getting the camber perfectly equal on both sides.


Originally Posted by Moog
Sure we can nitpick at his use of perfect not meaning the same to you, but this guy is happy with what he had done. Let's not rain on his parade and make him second guess the work he's had done.

FYI...from what I've been told by an alignment technician, slight toe-in is usually dialed in to keep the car driving straight.
 
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Old 05-19-2005, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
imho and from experience, proper toe-in is more important than
getting the camber perfectly equal on both sides.
I know this all too well. I've installed camber kits on my previous cars. Camber came back into a reasonable spec on my Accord, but I did not get a proper alignment immediately after the installation. Toe was waaaay off, and I had a set of brand new 18" tires wear out in 2 months.

live and learn...
 
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Old 05-19-2005, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Moog
I know this all too well. I've installed camber kits on my previous cars. Camber came back into a reasonable spec on my Accord, but I did not get a proper alignment immediately after the installation. Toe was waaaay off, and I had a set of brand new 18" tires wear out in 2 months.

live and learn...

hehehe, yeah, plus the car doesn't handle too well with improper
toe settings. Ive already taken my G in for numerous alignments to
dial-in what i want out of this car...
 
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