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Old Dec 31, 2006 | 12:11 AM
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How does this suspension setup sound to you guys?

I was going with the Tein Htech Z springs but after some research I'm definitely going to go coilovers... I want to improve looks with a 1-1.5" drop max, but also improve handling. I'm OK with a stiffer ride, especially if I can adjust the dampening with EDFC. Anyway here's the setup I'm looking to get: Tein Flex coilovers with EDFC, Stillen sways/strut tower brace, front upper control arms/camber adjusters and rear camber adjusters/toe arms. Am I going overkill on all the camber adjustment and sways/braces? I'm still considering Nismo or others if anyone can persuade me. Yes, I have searched and read the latest poll results, just wondering about this specific setup and didn't want to hijack another thread.
 

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Old Dec 31, 2006 | 12:12 AM
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Also, has anyone heard of reliability issues with tein's EDFC?
 
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Old Dec 31, 2006 | 01:52 AM
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Flex is fine as are your other choices. BUT, given your location, ride harshness is a serious issue you should ponder. In fact I highly recommend you hitch a ride along with someone local that has the flex coilovers installed so you can judge for yourself. I do not recomend non adjustable sway's just to say it.
 
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Old Jan 1, 2007 | 02:03 AM
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Yeah, I would be getting the adjustable stillen sways. I am definitely still in the research phase for suspension as I'm just doing my first mods this week, which should keep me happy for a while... I don't drive much in SF and the car stays garaged in Sacramento most of the time, the roads are pretty good out there, but I do take 80 to the Bay Area now and then, are they really that stiff?
 
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Old Jan 1, 2007 | 09:18 AM
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I ran the adjustable Stillen sways and the Teinflex with EDFC for a good long time (two years). It is a very streetable configuration. The full soft setting on the Tein can be just a tickle stiffer than stock....so not bad at all. The only problems with the EDFC are the PITA to run the wiring to the four corners, and I had some problem with the left front collecting water and rusting out, because I had a vented hood, so that required the adjustment motor to be replaced. You might want to look into the Tanabe sustec pro7 with TEAS. It is a new generation technology above the TeinFlex, and if I was going to do it again, now that the Tanabe is available, I would check it out closely before spending the money. It is a good compromise for street and track. If you are going to track the car hard........you will have to make a decision to go with a more performance oriented racing coilover set up with the ride issues associated with that decision, or settle for a bit less on the performance side to keep your fillings in your teeth.

Here is the car at Cal Speedway with the TeinFlex under max lateral load. You will note the inertial roll over and body lean, with the setting at 4 on the EDFC, with 1 being stiffest and 16 being softest.


Here is the car at Sears Point with the Stance coilovers, again at max lateral load (note inside tire lifting slightly). The car is much quicker on the track with this set up, and it is bearable on the street for me, but no question much less comfortable than stock or the TeinFlex. If you are not a track dog, I would stick with the TeinFlex or depending on your search the Tanabe as a nice option.

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Old Jan 2, 2007 | 01:24 AM
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Thanks for the great post Eagle, nice pics... makes me want to head out to Thunderhill this week! For now I am looking to street with occasional track for kicks, so these sound ideal. I will definitely check out the Tanabe setup. Do you race your G or are those pics from track days? I'm surprised at the amount of roll with the Flex's, I can only imagine the stock setup in the same situation.
 
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Old Jan 2, 2007 | 12:02 PM
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Eagle, I thought you were running the TEIN CS? Do you know much about them? I'm pretty set on getting the CS with EDFC one of these days, but how does the Tanabe Sustec Pro7 with TEAS compare to both the TEIN CS and the TEIN Flex, and does Tanabe have anything that directly matches (more or less) the CS?

I'm looking for something that is as soft (or even a tad bit softer) as stock for when my wife is in the G, something a bit stiffer than stock for just me, and even stiffer for any track days.

Thanks for any advice
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 03:15 AM
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After much searching and conversation, I am going with Tein Flex with EDFC and all the fixings, now I have to scrape the cash up!
 
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 01:05 AM
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The reason I bring up Tein Flex harshness issues has to do with spring rate specs and a lot of owner review's, here and on my350Z.com As I said, I recommend that you find someone local and get a ride along so you can judge for yourself. Also, keep in mind that a fair number of flex coilovers show up for resale on a account of owner feeling that they are too harsh. Simply pointing out that ride quality is subjective and that's something that you have to gauge in the end.



Originally Posted by xswl0931
Looks like a number of you have this combo. I'm considering getting it myself. I was wondering if you're able to set it up using the EDFC unit so that the softness of the ride is comparable to the stock suspension? I would prefer to adjust it from as soft as stock to as stiff as needed, but I don't want to sacrifice ride quality as this is my daily driver. Thanks.
Originally Posted by THX723
Not a chance. Spring is fixed and 12kg/mm is 12kg/mm ... there's no way around it. Some people will tolerate this setup just fine on the softest damper rate, other will not. On the softest damper rate ... it is still leagues above the stock ride and feel.
Clint (THX723)
Originally Posted by Gsedan35
Clint does own the Tein flex, his comments are first hand.

Adding to his comments, Tein, the company that makes the product, will tell you the exact same thing. They do not do not aggree that the ride quality is like oem. When told some flex owners claim the ride is like oem, this was the tech's responce "Your kidding right, I've driven the developement car, it's way stiffer, you can't increase spring rates like that and have the same ride quality" Fact is, you cannot escape the simply physics of employing a dramatically increased spring rate and pay no price for that. We are talking about a car that has springs that are 114% stiffer then oem. Simply does not come with the realm of subjective opinion. And, the most the flex will reduce dampning control is by 112lbs of spring rate at the absolute lowest setting, still leaves a 672lbs spring rate at all 4 corners that is being dampned at a 560lbs rate. Now the Tein CS, which use's spring rates that are only 25% stiffer then oem and dampners specifically valved for comfort, having a oem like ride quality is within the realm of possibility.
Originally Posted by Profile4
Without a doubt you cannot avoid physics. but the feel that you get when you are driving is purely subjective, like clint said, some will tolerate it, some will not, this is agreed, i happen to be on the side of the fence that can tolerate it. i have to admit, the suspension i have feels a bit tighter than stock, but to me it isn't enough that i'm cringing on every little bump in the road like in my previous cars. i guess the bushings may have something to do with absorbing some of the shock, or maybe that the car doesnt rattle as much as previous cars, beats me. in any event, i guess in the end just buy and test, if you do not like it, there's always e-bay, hehehe.
Originally Posted by aznx2cool4u
If you just want a drop, basics are fine. At first the ride quality on my flex was really bad, but after a couple weeks i got used to it. You can adjust ride height with both the flex and basics. but with the flex you can lower your car more than with the basics. Kyosho is running basics and hi are at lowest settings, and my car is still lower than his and i can still lower mine a little bit more.
Originally Posted by sen_jen
^ the softest setting on the Flex's in a coupe wouldn't be too much stiffer than stock. keep in mind, no suspension is more comfortable than OEM. any aftermarket suspension is stiffer than stock. however, you can order different spring rates to come along with the Flex's (it'll take longer), but that would defeat the purpose of handling better than stock. since you want comfort, just pick up the Tein CS. they are not fully adjustable.
 
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