F&f or stance coilovers??????
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F&f or stance coilovers??????
K so heres the scoop my car is already droped on s-techs but i wanna slam my car springs arnt cutting it.... im kinda stuck right now because i dont know witch ones to get i would love a stiffer ride than stock but not to the point were i only want to drive the car to the track...... i have tried to read up on spring rates and stuff but its all a confusing i know with a higer spring rate the less bouncy the ride is so then what the hell is the adjustable part about if you can control how bouncy the ride is what do the dampenrs do for you i know i might get flamed for this i just need to know before i buy....... also its a toss up between F&F 36 way adj's or gr+pro 15 way adj's Pro & Cons are welcome thank you for your help!
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Im not trying to be an azz about this i just need a lil help gotta buy these buy tomorrow i have searched the fourm and even the web i just wanted to get some responces to better myself before making a purchase and i though well who would know more about these setup on this car more then the guys and girls on here thats all
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^Well dude you're bumping it every 5 min, chill!!!
From my experience, also i have the F&F coils and am happy with them, but i'm pretty sure the F&F coils will give you more of a drop.
From my experience, also i have the F&F coils and am happy with them, but i'm pretty sure the F&F coils will give you more of a drop.
I will be getting the Stance GR+ Pro's very shortly myself...just don't forget to get the extenders for the rear if you decide to go with these
Also found this on my350z.com posted by cipher just in case you don't have an account over there
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I ordered the Stance Gr+ and have had them on my car for about 3 weeks now. I recently had the Tanabe GF springs on my car and the comparison is like water and oil. I have done several tests, but im not a professional or anything so calm down... I'll Start off with......
1. Appearance: Looked very JDM, had the Gold and Black setup, springs are black. its a very good color combination. Not too flamboyant and kinda stealthy. Looked and felt very solid.
2. Lowering adjustability: All I have to say is PERFECT! I can slam my car to the ground if i want and raise up too. As of now I have the car sitting at about 2 inches
3. Noise: I know alot of threads said that they had a clunking issue when going over bumps and it was bearable but annoying. However, there is no noise from my coilovers, I think Stance has fixed this issue.
4. Dampening: Its adjustable to about every need. I havent taken it to the track yet, but I tried most of the settings. The softest setting was like riding in a boat, kinda like my friends S-Class Mercedes. It felt comfortable, but wavy. Middle Setting ( 8 clicks) was ok for normal driving, i would say comparable to OEM suspension with a little more kick. Then I tried the stiffest setting, now this is what I like. I was taking normal corners at like 55 mph! it felt nice to have control over the car. the car wont even budge, it feels like there is no forgiveness here. I know most people like to ride comfortably, but I prefer a stiff suspension. I know my friend has the Buddy Club Coilover setup, and when he puts it on stiff its a bit crazy and unbearable, feels like there are no shocks! Stance feels Solid yet still comfortable, it makes the 350z feel like this is how it should have came!
5. Price: Best Bang for your buck I would say.
6. One Thing I Hate: You cant adjust the rears without the extensions. so make sure you get the extensions so u can change the
rear. I had to do it the hard way! I think it $50 extra.
7. Compared to the Tanabe Springs: The springs vs the coilovers was a huge difference. The biggest difference was seeing and feeling how much the car actually stuck to the pavement. When I thought my springs were the Sh*t I would jerk my steering wheel left and right just to see or feel body roll. The car would still be wavy with the springs but i thought it was perfect at that time. Little did i know that when i put the stance coilovers on and did the same thing, the car didnt even budge! No body roll whatsoever! Oh and also, when i had the springs my car would usually bounce a bit when i went over a speed bump and my sideskirts would hit pretty bad, now since its pretty stiff my car barely bounces and i can clear the speed bumps at the same height of the springs, huge plus for me! Cornering in the springs vs stance, man was i stupid for thinking i was the Sh*t at taking turns. Yeah the springs did good for turns, but i think it was more for the drop than handling, if you want a really sporty and fun handling 350z then wait until you try the Stance Coilovers. I have also added a 350mm steering wheel which just makes the overall experience alot better.
8. Overall: I am extremely pleased with the coilover setup. it was affordable and made the suspension perfect for daily driving, tracking, and sporty driving.
Last edited by goodmank; Apr 24, 2009 at 02:52 PM.
What specific property makes a true coilover better for FI?
^+1 I am pretty sure F&F can go lower, but Stance's are true coilovers which is better for FI
I will be getting the Stance GR+ Pro's very shortly myself...just don't forget to get the extenders for the rear if you decide to go with these
Also found this on my350z.com posted by cipher just in case you don't have an account over there
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I ordered the Stance Gr+ and have had them on my car for about 3 weeks now. I recently had the Tanabe GF springs on my car and the comparison is like water and oil. I have done several tests, but im not a professional or anything so calm down... I'll Start off with......
1. Appearance: Looked very JDM, had the Gold and Black setup, springs are black. its a very good color combination. Not too flamboyant and kinda stealthy. Looked and felt very solid.
2. Lowering adjustability: All I have to say is PERFECT! I can slam my car to the ground if i want and raise up too. As of now I have the car sitting at about 2 inches
3. Noise: I know alot of threads said that they had a clunking issue when going over bumps and it was bearable but annoying. However, there is no noise from my coilovers, I think Stance has fixed this issue.
4. Dampening: Its adjustable to about every need. I havent taken it to the track yet, but I tried most of the settings. The softest setting was like riding in a boat, kinda like my friends S-Class Mercedes. It felt comfortable, but wavy. Middle Setting ( 8 clicks) was ok for normal driving, i would say comparable to OEM suspension with a little more kick. Then I tried the stiffest setting, now this is what I like. I was taking normal corners at like 55 mph! it felt nice to have control over the car. the car wont even budge, it feels like there is no forgiveness here. I know most people like to ride comfortably, but I prefer a stiff suspension. I know my friend has the Buddy Club Coilover setup, and when he puts it on stiff its a bit crazy and unbearable, feels like there are no shocks! Stance feels Solid yet still comfortable, it makes the 350z feel like this is how it should have came!
5. Price: Best Bang for your buck I would say.
6. One Thing I Hate: You cant adjust the rears without the extensions. so make sure you get the extensions so u can change the
rear. I had to do it the hard way! I think it $50 extra.
7. Compared to the Tanabe Springs: The springs vs the coilovers was a huge difference. The biggest difference was seeing and feeling how much the car actually stuck to the pavement. When I thought my springs were the Sh*t I would jerk my steering wheel left and right just to see or feel body roll. The car would still be wavy with the springs but i thought it was perfect at that time. Little did i know that when i put the stance coilovers on and did the same thing, the car didnt even budge! No body roll whatsoever! Oh and also, when i had the springs my car would usually bounce a bit when i went over a speed bump and my sideskirts would hit pretty bad, now since its pretty stiff my car barely bounces and i can clear the speed bumps at the same height of the springs, huge plus for me! Cornering in the springs vs stance, man was i stupid for thinking i was the Sh*t at taking turns. Yeah the springs did good for turns, but i think it was more for the drop than handling, if you want a really sporty and fun handling 350z then wait until you try the Stance Coilovers. I have also added a 350mm steering wheel which just makes the overall experience alot better.
8. Overall: I am extremely pleased with the coilover setup. it was affordable and made the suspension perfect for daily driving, tracking, and sporty driving.
I will be getting the Stance GR+ Pro's very shortly myself...just don't forget to get the extenders for the rear if you decide to go with these
Also found this on my350z.com posted by cipher just in case you don't have an account over there
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I ordered the Stance Gr+ and have had them on my car for about 3 weeks now. I recently had the Tanabe GF springs on my car and the comparison is like water and oil. I have done several tests, but im not a professional or anything so calm down... I'll Start off with......
1. Appearance: Looked very JDM, had the Gold and Black setup, springs are black. its a very good color combination. Not too flamboyant and kinda stealthy. Looked and felt very solid.
2. Lowering adjustability: All I have to say is PERFECT! I can slam my car to the ground if i want and raise up too. As of now I have the car sitting at about 2 inches
3. Noise: I know alot of threads said that they had a clunking issue when going over bumps and it was bearable but annoying. However, there is no noise from my coilovers, I think Stance has fixed this issue.
4. Dampening: Its adjustable to about every need. I havent taken it to the track yet, but I tried most of the settings. The softest setting was like riding in a boat, kinda like my friends S-Class Mercedes. It felt comfortable, but wavy. Middle Setting ( 8 clicks) was ok for normal driving, i would say comparable to OEM suspension with a little more kick. Then I tried the stiffest setting, now this is what I like. I was taking normal corners at like 55 mph! it felt nice to have control over the car. the car wont even budge, it feels like there is no forgiveness here. I know most people like to ride comfortably, but I prefer a stiff suspension. I know my friend has the Buddy Club Coilover setup, and when he puts it on stiff its a bit crazy and unbearable, feels like there are no shocks! Stance feels Solid yet still comfortable, it makes the 350z feel like this is how it should have came!
5. Price: Best Bang for your buck I would say.
6. One Thing I Hate: You cant adjust the rears without the extensions. so make sure you get the extensions so u can change the
rear. I had to do it the hard way! I think it $50 extra.
7. Compared to the Tanabe Springs: The springs vs the coilovers was a huge difference. The biggest difference was seeing and feeling how much the car actually stuck to the pavement. When I thought my springs were the Sh*t I would jerk my steering wheel left and right just to see or feel body roll. The car would still be wavy with the springs but i thought it was perfect at that time. Little did i know that when i put the stance coilovers on and did the same thing, the car didnt even budge! No body roll whatsoever! Oh and also, when i had the springs my car would usually bounce a bit when i went over a speed bump and my sideskirts would hit pretty bad, now since its pretty stiff my car barely bounces and i can clear the speed bumps at the same height of the springs, huge plus for me! Cornering in the springs vs stance, man was i stupid for thinking i was the Sh*t at taking turns. Yeah the springs did good for turns, but i think it was more for the drop than handling, if you want a really sporty and fun handling 350z then wait until you try the Stance Coilovers. I have also added a 350mm steering wheel which just makes the overall experience alot better.
8. Overall: I am extremely pleased with the coilover setup. it was affordable and made the suspension perfect for daily driving, tracking, and sporty driving.
I posted the basic info below at the end of my own coilover review.
Keep in mind that everyone will say that their car "handles like its on rails" and "takes corners much more quickly" and "has almost no body roll" after they put in stiffer springs, because that’s exactly what a stiffer spring will do for you. What these statements often don't take into account is how the setup handles other things like extended use in high-stress situations (the oil's loss of efficiency due to heat buildup), low and high speed damping, long term durability of components and overall construction (aeration of oil, breakdown of bushings and seals, sagging of springs or how much hysteresis/phase lag is or is not present). That being said, there are other ways to find the approximate answers to these questions without listening to others' experiences or trying the product yourself. This includes asking the manufacturer questions about design and materials used. And their is no reason why you shouldn't include asking for shock dyno plots. (After they show you the chart they want you to see, you have to insist in seeing the type of chart that show's hysteresis levels or hysteresis loops). The former will give you a rough idea of how much the manufacturer knows about their product and its research and design, and the latter how the coilover should perform under given situations. If your not comfortable reading the dyno plots, find someone that can. This is not to say that first-hand experience is useless or should be disregarded, but it should not be taken as fact and should not be solely relied on for answers
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dang i didnt even think of that i just wanted to slam my car and maybe take it to the the ring evey now and then the reason behind me gitting new suspension was because my stocks are blown and i need new ones and also seeing as i just bought my rims i wanted to just go ahead and do thing right i dont have enough money to buy the tein c/s so these were like the only options that i had thank you gsedan35 for the info i guess i will have to wait and do some more research on all of this
dang i didnt even think of that i just wanted to slam my car and maybe take it to the the ring evey now and then the reason behind me gitting new suspension was because my stocks are blown and i need new ones and also seeing as i just bought my rims i wanted to just go ahead and do thing right i dont have enough money to buy the tein c/s so these were like the only options that i had thank you gsedan35 for the info i guess i will have to wait and do some more research on all of this
You can get Bilstein Pss for $1325 shipped
http://my350z.com/forum/suspension/3...re-here-4.html
or
Eibach Pro-S for $999
http://www.modacar.com/products/Nissan/350Z/MODACOI/
Neither setup has adjustable damping, but they are both very good quality in contstruction and damping. I might be able to get dyno plots of the Pss from the shop that revalved my Pss9 setup. The Eibach coilover is a relabled Kw Variant 1. I have shock dyno's for the Kw Variant 2 (which does adjust rebound damping).