mustang GT vs G35
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lol not what i said. why do you think drag cars only have 2 gear trannys? for drag longer gears are better for bottom and top end in a 1/4 mile run and thats speaking from experience. i wont explain why cause your one of those kids who thinks he knows it all already. 
funny how ignorant people are on car forums
funny how ignorant people are on car forums
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lol not what i said. why do you think drag cars only have 2 gear trannys? for drag longer gears are better for bottom and top end in a 1/4 mile run and thats speaking from experience. i wont explain why cause your one of those kids who thinks he knows it all already. funny how ignorant people are on car forums
funny how ignorant people are on car forums
if longer gears are better for drag (over simplification of the century) then explain why the first thing mustang owners do is swap to shorter gearing (4.10, 3.73 etc)
and explain why my friend's mustang can kill me from a dig but then from 3rd gear on starts slowly losing ground
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oogts is close to making sense out of this pissing match, lets take a look at this.
we have two cars a mustang gt 4.6 a 2005 with 300hp and only allowed to use 2nd gear and fourth gear......and
a 2005 g35 with a 6 speed MT with 298hp. guess who will win the quarter mile? no contest. the G35 will win by an easy .30 of a sec.
we have two cars a mustang gt 4.6 a 2005 with 300hp and only allowed to use 2nd gear and fourth gear......and
a 2005 g35 with a 6 speed MT with 298hp. guess who will win the quarter mile? no contest. the G35 will win by an easy .30 of a sec.
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ok i will keep it simple:
Shorter gear/s pro's: 1.better acceleration- (reason)= RPM's climb faster to reach your Max HP @ whatever RPM the max would be.
2. high RPM shifts- (how?)= being that the gear is shorter, each redlined shift will bring you close to the RPM range that you want for max power. -( a good example why a revup G has close 0-60 time compared to a GT, along with other factors like P.T.W.R)
Cons: 1. less torque @ the wheels- (why?) torque is at higher revs so it has shorter gears to put it's engine at it's torque peak for the same given roadspeed
2. shorter max HP range- (not always the case) how?- (i.e) Stang GT- max HP @ 5800RPM<(longer gears) Revup 6MT G- max HP @ 6600RPM <(shorter gears) a good example why a GT pulls on a G @ 60+ mph. along with other factors like more overall Torque
Longer gear/s pro's: greater RPM range of max Power. (why?)
the stang has tons of low end grunt, as it needs it lol. so it has longer gears to use that torque over a great range. thats why longer gears are good for the stang where short gears is good for the G.
less shifting in a 5sp...
oh ya and using drag cars as an example of long gears was bad on my part. i was right but also wrong. so my bad.
Shorter gear/s pro's: 1.better acceleration- (reason)= RPM's climb faster to reach your Max HP @ whatever RPM the max would be.
2. high RPM shifts- (how?)= being that the gear is shorter, each redlined shift will bring you close to the RPM range that you want for max power. -( a good example why a revup G has close 0-60 time compared to a GT, along with other factors like P.T.W.R)
Cons: 1. less torque @ the wheels- (why?) torque is at higher revs so it has shorter gears to put it's engine at it's torque peak for the same given roadspeed
2. shorter max HP range- (not always the case) how?- (i.e) Stang GT- max HP @ 5800RPM<(longer gears) Revup 6MT G- max HP @ 6600RPM <(shorter gears) a good example why a GT pulls on a G @ 60+ mph. along with other factors like more overall Torque
Longer gear/s pro's: greater RPM range of max Power. (why?)
the stang has tons of low end grunt, as it needs it lol. so it has longer gears to use that torque over a great range. thats why longer gears are good for the stang where short gears is good for the G.
less shifting in a 5sp...
oh ya and using drag cars as an example of long gears was bad on my part. i was right but also wrong. so my bad.
Last edited by -.NiT3.RiDa.-; Jan 26, 2010 at 07:47 PM.
ok i will keep it simple:
Shorter gear/s pro's: 1.better acceleration- (reason)= RPM's climb faster to reach your Max HP @ whatever RPM the max would be.
2. high RPM shifts- (how?)= being that the gear is shorter, each redlined shift will bring you close to the RPM range that you want for max power. -( a good example why a revup G has close 0-60 time compared to a GT, along with other factors like P.T.W.R)
Cons: 1. less torque @ the wheels- (why?) torque is at higher revs so it has shorter gears to put it's engine at it's torque peak for the same given roadspeed
2. shorter max HP range- (not always the case) how?- (i.e) Stang GT- max HP @ 5800RPM-(longer gears) Revup 6MT G- max HP @ 6600RPM (shorter gears) ( a good example why a GT pulls on a G @ 60+ mph. along with other factors like more overall Torque)
Longer gear/s pro's: greater RPM range of max Power. (why?)
the stang has tons of low end grunt, as it needs it lol. so it has longer gears to use that torque over a great range. thats why longer gears are good for the stang where short gears is good for the G. But i can see why people want to shorten the GT gears for better acceleration out the hole where the GT lacks that jump. keep in mind tho if this is done, it will takeaway from your 1/4 mile time because when you shorten lower gears you lengthen 3rd 4th and 5th. but if done right, who knows... there is more pros for longer gears but my hand is tired lol.
oh ya and using drag cars as an example of long gears was bad on my part. i was right but also wrong. so my bad.
Shorter gear/s pro's: 1.better acceleration- (reason)= RPM's climb faster to reach your Max HP @ whatever RPM the max would be.
2. high RPM shifts- (how?)= being that the gear is shorter, each redlined shift will bring you close to the RPM range that you want for max power. -( a good example why a revup G has close 0-60 time compared to a GT, along with other factors like P.T.W.R)
Cons: 1. less torque @ the wheels- (why?) torque is at higher revs so it has shorter gears to put it's engine at it's torque peak for the same given roadspeed
2. shorter max HP range- (not always the case) how?- (i.e) Stang GT- max HP @ 5800RPM-(longer gears) Revup 6MT G- max HP @ 6600RPM (shorter gears) ( a good example why a GT pulls on a G @ 60+ mph. along with other factors like more overall Torque)
Longer gear/s pro's: greater RPM range of max Power. (why?)
the stang has tons of low end grunt, as it needs it lol. so it has longer gears to use that torque over a great range. thats why longer gears are good for the stang where short gears is good for the G. But i can see why people want to shorten the GT gears for better acceleration out the hole where the GT lacks that jump. keep in mind tho if this is done, it will takeaway from your 1/4 mile time because when you shorten lower gears you lengthen 3rd 4th and 5th. but if done right, who knows... there is more pros for longer gears but my hand is tired lol.
oh ya and using drag cars as an example of long gears was bad on my part. i was right but also wrong. so my bad.
mustang people only care about 1/4 mile times so they wouldn't change the gears if it hurt the 1/4 mile time
here read a thread written by rednecks who care a lot about drag racing
http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-foru...4-mile-et.html
some of them are saying they gain .2 in the 1/4 by going from stock 3.27s to 4.10 gears the only reason they don't do it is because they ruin the already awful mustang mpg(not that G's are gas sippers)
of course the other side of the coin is when you have way too much power you want longer gearing...especially in boosted applications because you lose boost when you shift.
for example people with 02-04 type s's(k20a2's)on clubrsx who are going NA and aiming for 220-250whp(or a bit more with k24 hybrids is saw a guy with 274 on youtube) will change their 4.3 final drive to the 4.7 fd from an 05-06 type s(its also the final drive from the DC5-R and 06+ civic si) some even go for 5.xx final drive.
but for boosted rsx's (probably the 400+whp ones), they were talking about making a 4.0 final drive and I think sometimes people swap to 5 speed trannies or just get longer gears out of other honda trannies.
lightly modded mustangs, despite having more torque then the Godsgoldenchariot35 do not have enough power to take advantage of longer gearing
although i felt like the G's 1st gear was too short when racing the stang..idk
Last edited by Hammerhead i-Eagle Thrust; Jan 26, 2010 at 08:05 PM.
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yes they do have the power. if they didnt it would have a 6sp not 5 in the newer mustangs. the stang has lots more torque than the G. its a v8 so it will eat your G and any other stock G35 60 to top speed as much as i hate to say it
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really there is nothing more to debate about.
Idk how you can debate a fact
... MT sucks for drag anyway A/T is the way to go. i have a 9 second 240sx built for drag thats A/T. and a worked G35 coupe for street and soon track racing where you benefit more from 6MT. thats one reason why SVT's are 6sp. you will never see a drag stang that is 5sp or 6sp. if you do the research you will see that A/T GT's are faster than 5sp.
again autos are better if you have tons of power, for cars slower then 12 seconds usually manual is better. an auto GT's are not faster then 5 speeds unless they are heavily modded
some stock 05+ mustang times
5 speed manual
13.272 @104.030
13.610@105.020
13.710@104.020
13.760@100.200
5 speed auto
13.610@99.920
14.140@97.810
14.341@98.860
some stock 05+ mustang times
5 speed manual
13.272 @104.030
13.610@105.020
13.710@104.020
13.760@100.200
5 speed auto
13.610@99.920
14.140@97.810
14.341@98.860