Premium vs regular
Premium vs regular
recently read an article saying that for most vehicles regular gas is just as good premium and will not damage vehicle. Is this the case for G35 coupes ? Most of my driving is highway driving where I don't really care about max performance.
Re: Premium vs regular
For "most cars" -- meaning the cars that specify regular in the owner's manual.
"Most cars" are tuned for 87 octane. Higher octane fuels do not have more power in them, they resist pre-detonation better (meaning you can use higher compression rations and more advanced engine timing without the engine knocking.) Most cars won't take advantage of the higher octane.
Cars with high-performance engines are tuned for higher-octane fuels, and generally recommend them. They run more efficiently on the premium gas than on the regular, as with the regular gas, the anti-knock sensors kick in and retard timing, which both reduces power and fuel economy.
The G35 Sedan can handle 87 octane, though you don't save money - as fuel economy suffers just about enough to offset the cost difference. The G35 Coupe has more aggressive engine timings, and can't handle the lower octanes for any length of time. The owner's manual specifically says that, for the coupe, don't go below 91 octane unless you have no choice.. and if you have to, put in as little as possible, and then fill up with higher-octane fuel as soon as you can. I've seen someone report in the Coupe forum that they filled their tank with regular gas, and by the time they got down to a 1/4 tank, the engine was starting to run really bad. A tank of premium cured the problem.
Short Answer: No, you need premium, and even if you could run regular, it wouldn't save you any money.
2003.5 G35 Sedan Desert Platinum/Graphite Premium/Sport/Aero/Nav/Winter
"Most cars" are tuned for 87 octane. Higher octane fuels do not have more power in them, they resist pre-detonation better (meaning you can use higher compression rations and more advanced engine timing without the engine knocking.) Most cars won't take advantage of the higher octane.
Cars with high-performance engines are tuned for higher-octane fuels, and generally recommend them. They run more efficiently on the premium gas than on the regular, as with the regular gas, the anti-knock sensors kick in and retard timing, which both reduces power and fuel economy.
The G35 Sedan can handle 87 octane, though you don't save money - as fuel economy suffers just about enough to offset the cost difference. The G35 Coupe has more aggressive engine timings, and can't handle the lower octanes for any length of time. The owner's manual specifically says that, for the coupe, don't go below 91 octane unless you have no choice.. and if you have to, put in as little as possible, and then fill up with higher-octane fuel as soon as you can. I've seen someone report in the Coupe forum that they filled their tank with regular gas, and by the time they got down to a 1/4 tank, the engine was starting to run really bad. A tank of premium cured the problem.
Short Answer: No, you need premium, and even if you could run regular, it wouldn't save you any money.
2003.5 G35 Sedan Desert Platinum/Graphite Premium/Sport/Aero/Nav/Winter
Re: Premium vs regular
Agreed. Though it's a waste of money to run a car designed for 87 octane on premium (>91), follow the owner's manual for the suggested fuel. The G35 is designed for premium gas. You might get away with lower octane fuel for a short time as the computer will retard the advance to compensate, but you'll also get a corresponding decrease in HP and gas mileage.
It takes a very astute driver to feel/hear subtle engine knock that will eventually cause damage. If you're lucky the knock might only crack the ceramics on the spark plugs, or it can cause fissures in the pistons and cylinder walls.
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It takes a very astute driver to feel/hear subtle engine knock that will eventually cause damage. If you're lucky the knock might only crack the ceramics on the spark plugs, or it can cause fissures in the pistons and cylinder walls.
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Re: Premium vs regular
OK ... I agree totally ...no regular or mid grade etc...
what about a octane booster in the can or some higher octane like sunoco 94 etc
???
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what about a octane booster in the can or some higher octane like sunoco 94 etc
???
later g's
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Re: Premium vs regular
Going higher than the recommended octane won't necessarily give you any benefits with out further tuning of the engine and ECU. It's cheaper to just fill with the premium of your choice than to use a can of octane booster.
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Re: Premium vs regular
Hey guys, read this thread. It's very interesting. Seems the higher octanes (above 91) just might give a little more performance after all.
ECU Reprogram
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ECU Reprogram
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Re: Premium vs regular
Well, if you reprogram your ECU, yes. With the stock engine computer, no (or at least not very much). Reprogramming your ECU (along with other mods) might also raise your minimum required octane rating above 91.
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Re: Premium vs regular
I posed this question at the Sunoco website....
Question:
Your website claims Ultra94 gives increased fuel economy for cars, what statistics do you have to back this claim, how much greater fuel efficiency? Is there a percentage you can tell me?
Response:
Thank you for you question.
Sunoco Ethanol Ultra94 is formulated with a relatively high percentage of "higher energy blending components". It is by virtue of this gasoline's higher energy content that Sunoco is comfortable stating that this fuel will deliver improved fuel economy versus its lower octane grades. The actual increase in fuel economy that a customer would see is highly vehicle dependant. Newer vehicles, particularly those that are designed to run on premium (octane) grade fuels, will benefit the most.
I personally only use Sunoco Ultra 94 in my G35C and I find that I get better fuel economy. I find that the Shell 91 is the second best.
Sunoco has a great website if you want to check it out.
http://www.sunoco.ca/
Question:
Your website claims Ultra94 gives increased fuel economy for cars, what statistics do you have to back this claim, how much greater fuel efficiency? Is there a percentage you can tell me?
Response:
Thank you for you question.
Sunoco Ethanol Ultra94 is formulated with a relatively high percentage of "higher energy blending components". It is by virtue of this gasoline's higher energy content that Sunoco is comfortable stating that this fuel will deliver improved fuel economy versus its lower octane grades. The actual increase in fuel economy that a customer would see is highly vehicle dependant. Newer vehicles, particularly those that are designed to run on premium (octane) grade fuels, will benefit the most.
I personally only use Sunoco Ultra 94 in my G35C and I find that I get better fuel economy. I find that the Shell 91 is the second best.
Sunoco has a great website if you want to check it out.
http://www.sunoco.ca/
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