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Old 06-29-2007 | 07:54 PM
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Could you please explain how you can have sex wrong? I have heard people say this but never understood it. Did he go in the back door?
 
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Old 06-30-2007 | 01:43 AM
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Could you please explain how you can have sex wrong? I have heard people say this but never understood it. Did he go in the back door?
lol. i would also like to know how he was doing it wrong
 
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Old 06-30-2007 | 01:59 AM
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Could you please explain how you can have sex wrong? I have heard people say this but never understood it. Did he go in the back door?
...and if he did, is that still wrong? and for who is it wrong?
 
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Old 06-30-2007 | 02:03 AM
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I never SAID I dumped the clutch at three grand. Try releasing the clutch at 1000 rpm and the car dies outright. You’ve gotta’ get it up to AT LEAST 1400 to get it moving, but better off at 1600~1800 even on level ground to get it moving as it should, then even driving easy you’re gonna’ do 3000+ (three grand) before you shift.
Releasing the clutch at 1000rpm makes the car die? If you know how to coordinate your left foot and your right foot, you can release the clutch at between 600-750 rpm. Unless I'm trying to launch the car or get it off the line fast, the clutch is always released at less than 1000rpm. If you can't start the car from a standstill without reving to 1400, maybe you need to re-learn how to drive a stick. Just because you do something for so many years, doesn't mean you know how to do it right.
 
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Old 06-30-2007 | 12:17 PM
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Releasing the clutch at 1000rpm makes the car die? If you know how to coordinate your left foot and your right foot, you can release the clutch at between 600-750 rpm. Unless I'm trying to launch the car or get it off the line fast, the clutch is always released at less than 1000rpm. If you can't start the car from a standstill without reving to 1400, maybe you need to re-learn how to drive a stick. Just because you do something for so many years, doesn't mean you know how to do it right.
No doubt. I can get my G (from a stop) up my slightly inclined driveway, over the entry-bump, and into my garage spot without touching the gas pedal once and without riding the clutch. Just a smooth gentle release and then off the pedal all the way up until it's time to stop in the garage. She pulls up the hill just fine and doesn't hesitate even when going over the bump.

Sometimes I wonder if other Gs are different than mine...

OH.. and I can launch 2-3.5k with a fast feather no problem whatsoever, the car almost laughs at me saying "is that all you've got?"

Only problem I've had w/ the clutch is the hydraulic pressure drops when the clutch fluid gets murky, but since I've been doing the reservoir fluid refresh (see clutch sticky/burning thread) that's not a problem anymore.
 
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Old 07-05-2007 | 01:16 AM
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If you know how to coordinate your left foot and your right foot, .... maybe you need to re-learn how to drive a stick. Just because you do something for so many years, doesn't mean you know how to do it right.
To all... As a courtesy... warning, long post ahead.

Dude, you need to go back and read the original post. I can tell you for SURE that if you release/launch at idle speed (which is darn near the 600-750 range you speak of) and you are in traffic that a bicycle can pass you. You are NOWHERE NEAR a reasonable torque range to get 3400+ pounds moving without bogging down the engine, which anyone will tell you is bad for the valve train, even the crank, inducing harmonic vibrations that are not friendly to the bottom end of the engine. I know perfectly well that you can 'start' to engage the clutch at idle speed, but you BETTER get the engine to putting out some torque before it starts to grab, (especially by the time it's fully engaged) or you're going too freaking slow.

That being said... SURE anyone can feather the clutch and make the car move without even touching the gas, even on a slight incline if they know what they are doing, AND don't intend on getting up to speed anytime soon. It's possible to do it on level ground, get out and walk beside the car, and jump back in, but who would do something so extreme! The one thing however... is feathering the clutch for granny & grandpa starts results in an extremely slow get up to speed time, and an extremely long time spent feathering the clutch. Why in the world would someone, in traffic, in a G-Coupe none-the-less want to drive it like a slug-mobile? There are 3 ways to drive... "Lead, Follow, or get outta' the way". The G35 is a "Lead" car if you are having fun driving it, period.

Getting back to feathering with the foot off the throttle... (As was mentioned in two post's now)
I'm teaching my 19 year old daughter to drive the car, and she's learning just that. You've got to get the mass moving, and more importantly get the feel of the clutch before you can EVER feel comfortable on the road. (That's the key to getting a big truck moving, it's not revving all over the place, it's finding the torque range and keep the load moving.)

We live on near 2 acres in a sub-division in a rural area so it's easy to take her to drive in the country. But she's got to learn to drive in traffic, Atlanta traffic! Which has been said to be the worst in the country. For some reason Atlanta area drivers commute, for more time, and a LOT more miles than anywhere in the nation. The "metro" area is 5~7 counties minimum and many drive an hour or more each way, with a large number driving closer to 2 hours, (providing traffic is easy that day). She leaves for school at 6:00 and it takes 55 minutes driving back roads, staying off I-75 on a good day. I've told her that if she learns it well, when she gets her 4 year degree (less than 3 to go), that I'll give her the 06 to drive to Law School. About 50 miles one way, 3~4 days a week.

As for my 'experience' with a clutch. Been driving them since I was 9 with my Dad's 63 Ford Econoline work van. I was so small that he had to put a box of snow chains in the seat behind me so I could sit on the edge and push the pedals. We used to have a place at a lake down in the sticks (that was in the 60's~70's and it's still sticks-ville down there) and I'd drive everywhere. I mean to the store, bait shop, out to eat, didn't matter. By the time I was 16 I'd been driving weekly for 7 years. At 19 had 2 cars and 2 street bikes, (actually 3 cars for a while). Two of the cars were 450HP & 600HP way back before nitrous had even been THOUGHT about. I've driven more clutches than I can remember, from street to drag cars, to 75' long rigs. Owned a towing service for 18 years driving diesel's the entire time. Now that's an engine that you can expect low-end torque from, especially the big yellow Caterpillar straight 6's. Many days I'd leave those trucks running up to 18 hours straight. Averaged just over 90,000 miles a year in Atlanta traffic. Ran mostly rollbacks, doing hi-line cars. Had a custom built 41' triple-axle trailer built with all the goodies, chrome, polished diamond plate, gobs of lights etc. Put that on a big GMC with a 19' bed at that puppy was 74'+ running around in town. Was GREAT on road-trips though when the Benz dealers were paying $1.50 a mile, (per car) hauling 3 at a time doing Tampa, Clearwater and West Palm Beach & Miami trips. (Didn't hurt so bad when I had to come back empty.)

Heck, we had so many Ford's through the early years with crappy clutches, (which are WELL known for ****ty clutches where the fingers on the diaphragm would wear through from the throwout bearing) that the wife and I could do a clutch job in 5 hours tops. The dealerships and shops charged 8 minimum. That's two drive shafts to the rear, one to the PTO pump, plus all the normal wires, speedo cable, and a few extras for the towing equipment, in a vehicle that weighed in at 12,000 pounds, and on jack stands! If I'd had a lift and a 6' tranny jack we could have cut that another hour easy. This was before we switched to the bigger GMC's with the CATS motors that would run 150,000 miles even in 'in-town' driving before you even thought of looking at the clutch. (Had to stay on top of the lube jobs on the bearings and throwout fork though.) Wouldn't even THINK of dropping that monster tranny out on my own. Not on a engine/tranny package that was rated to pull 55,000 pounds. HELL NO! Leave that for the GMC truck dealer.

Don't even think of telling me I don't know how to drive a clutch. Not after over 40 years of driving sticks... Remember column shifts? Been there, done that for YEARS before I saw a floor shift. Funky Ferrari H gates, as well. (Really crappy and uncomfortable to drive those gated shifters) Very slick, very smooth street racing shifters I miss the most. If there is one thing that the G's lack is a clutch, shifter, tranny package that competes with the other cars that they are trying to beat. They surely are not built to dump the clutch and try to smoke the tires! Anyone that does that on a 'straight line' start is asking for trouble. (in the long run) First off... an independent suspension isn't built for 'drag style' starts. It'll "wheel hop" like crazy (by design) and quite often will throw out a ring and pinion, half shaft, or both. Want to smoke the tires, get a straight axle! This isn't a real problem for me with the G35 though, but it's been mentioned in almost every, if not every article I've ever read on the G35's. IMHO that's a small price to pay however for the car that Infiniti produced to go head-to-head with the 3-series beemers. (The G37 seems to have addressed that with good reviews however.)

Many articles have said that the Infiniti is a better deal for years now. Read the new Motor Trend "The King is Dead" article? They didn't test a "pre-production" model against the new BMW this time, nope... it was the real deal in Alabama at Barber Motorsports Park. To their own surprise, and by a small margin, the G37 is their pick over the BMW twin-turbo. And yes... the problem that existed in the AZ test facility with the BMW over heating was happening again, at only 75°. Oil temps were 300°+ on the BMW. Sounds like a problem to me.

If you're starting at 850 then I expect you are shifting at 1500??? Nahhhh please don't say it's so. That puppy needs to breath and at least hit somewhere around 2500 from 1st to 2nd or it'll loaf and shudder like crazy. Much more fun if you can get it closer to 3400, and smoother too. I've set the shift light very conservatively at 4200 so even the wife doesn't over rev the car. (She's used to shift lights in drag cars from the old days so she knows a blinking light means you need to shift, even if she's not paying attention.)

Bottom line is that the G35 is a true 2+2 sports coupe. Not a race car, but a sports (near luxury) car. It should by ALL ACCOUNTS be able to get down the road without driving like grandpa. Which means start to release the pedal, rev it up at the same time and you'll feel it engaging and it'll pull the RPM's down. If you're not pulling 1200+ by that time you might as well get out and push. It's a lot easier on the engine if when you feel it engaging you pull more like 1500~1800 around the time it's fully engaged. Which means you keep you're foot in it, go up past 2200 at least and you're ready to shift to 2nd. (Even for the most conservative situations and drivers...) Most would pull 2nd to the mid 3's before hitting 3rd.

All this being said, shifting at lower revs once the car is moving isn't as much of a problem as the critical point of getting the mass moving and the shift from 1st to 2nd. All the rest can be done easily at less than 3 grand. Heck, expressway speeds are surprisingly low at 55 on the 6 speeds. Although I can't imagine doing 55 no matter where we're at. Even the "speed trap" towns allow 60 in a 55. And no, I've never gotten any speeding tickets in the G, which typically runs 70~95 around our area expressways. Except for one really bad 'trap' about half way to downtown Atlanta where if you've got a brain at all you'll drop to 60 or less just after the speed limit drops from 70 to 55. That area isn't marked very well at all when the limit drops plus you go around a curve under a bridge going from 3 lanes to 5 (which looks like you should be going 70 still) and the county cops literally LIVE there writing tickets.

The G35 with the right driver will out last, out perform, and hold more value than most cars in it's segment. It's a fun car to drive, and even more fun when daddy's little rich kid in his Mustang or 325 is looking at nothing but dust.

 
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Old 07-05-2007 | 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Meatshackle
A friend of mine started having sex at 14 and he never had a complaint. Then he finally slept with a woman that had been with another man and he found he was doing it wrong all those years.

Moral of the story is it doesn't matter how long you've been doing something, for all you know you've been doing it wrong all along.

Before you say it, the guy wasn't me. Also I've got almost 50k on my stock clutch and the last year it's been handling close to 500hp.
Yeah well... I started 'practicing' at 10!DOMO
I've had good, great and WONDERFUL sex, but then again... even the worst was wonderful so who's complaining. Oh do I remember a few in the early days when I thought NOTHING could get any better than this! HAH... wait till you've been married 10~15 years and are not bashful about nothing, nowhere, nohow. And people wonder why drugs are so popular all these years! Talk about all-nighters!!! Now it's been over 30 years, and a wonder we've both survived the early ones. (Not the drugs... just the wear and tear.) God forbid that 'disfunction' pills would have been out when we were in our 20's~30's. HOLY $hit. Me thinks we'd have #u%ked ourselves to death. (Almost did anyhow)

Question??? (This was one I heard when I was in my 20's) How does a 'real man' know when a woman has an orgasam??? Answer: Real men don't care!

The truth is that joke is BS! I learned in my teens that quality over quanity was better anytime. Then at 21 married my highschool sweetheart (actually the 2nd sweetheart... with a few in between). I'm darned lucky she didn't dump my a$$ for running around after we were engaged. (Had to get it out then though, would NEVER do it after the wedding bells, just ain't gonna' happen. Nothing like a good woman, and a long relationship to get you both what you REALLY like. Doesn't take much of a guy to be 'one and done'. Takes a lot of practice however to not care about your end, (it'll do what it wants)... but never and I mean NEVER leave your woman with just 'one and done' (from your end). If she's not had at least TWO, then your job's not done son.
 
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Old 07-05-2007 | 02:12 AM
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To all... As a courtesy... warning, long post ahead.
you weren't kidding
 
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