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Old Jan 11, 2010 | 04:48 PM
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what part of my summary said the original inquiry specified OEM ecu and not after market ems... I figured it was a given until you brought after market ems to the table... Toll stated his ems reads his MAF signal... does that matter? I dont know but it might... I know one thing YOU dont know for certain whether it does or not.

So again, what part of my summary is inaccurate?... you haven't been able to addresses that question - just like you haven't been able to show anyone reliable having cut MAF sensor wires (to oem ecu)... and you never will be.

Keep going Jeff - repeating yourself is soooo damn interesting
 
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Old Jan 11, 2010 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by OCG35
what part of my summary said the original inquiry specified OEM ecu and not after market ems... I figured it was a given until you brought after market ems to the table... Toll stated his ems reads his MAF signal... does that matter? I dont know but it might... I know one thing YOU dont know for certain whether it does or not.

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The original ecu is still used. The EMS still has to read a stable maf reading JUST LIKE the oem ecu does. UNLESS you can technically give me a reason why it does not. Also any signal read to the EMS has to be altered and sent to the ecu. A noisy signal to the ems = bad signal to the ecu = not running.

But Toll's car runs perfectly yes?? Or no?

Jeff will ask again WHY the addition of the emanage matters but knows it will be ignored even though it's at the CORE of Mike's assertion. But Jeff appreciates that fact that Mike is now OFF the ridiculous statement that the wire had to be cut at/near the sensor LOL
 
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Old Jan 11, 2010 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by OCG35
to an aftermarket EMS...
Greddy emanage doesn't control the MAF until throttle is about 70-80% open.

This means, the MAF still functions as stock on the stock ECU with the exception that the wires ARE CUT.

Trust me, cutting the wires is not a big deal unless they are connected to power when you do it.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2010 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
The original ecu is still used. The EMS still has to read a stable maf reading JUST LIKE the oem ecu does. UNLESS you can technically give me a reason why it does not. Also any signal read to the EMS has to be altered and sent to the ecu. A noisy signal to the ems = bad signal to the ecu = not running.

But Toll's car runs perfectly yes?? Or no?

Jeff will ask again WHY the addition of the emanage matters but knows it will be ignored even though it's at the CORE of Mike's assertion. But Jeff appreciates that fact that Mike is now OFF the ridiculous statement that the wire had to be cut at/near the sensor LOL
Jeff, here's the deal... some of the most respected members of the G community advise not to cut MAF sensor wires - to list just a few: rookie, RRYDE (formally caskyline), k67p67, bigc (and plenty more)

these people all have way more experience on this subject than you will ever hope to have...

If you know something these people don't know - simply post up a DIY on how to cut MAF sensor wires and reconnect without issue (forget about EMS, it needs to be a simple straight forward step by step).

If you can do that, there will be tons of people do things different than they have (after learning from others mistakes)...

I've been asking for this for pages and pages... if you can not provide this then stfu.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2010 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tollboothwilley
Greddy emanage doesn't control the MAF until throttle is about 70-80% open.

This means, the MAF still functions as stock on the stock ECU with the exception that the wires ARE CUT.

Trust me, cutting the wires is not a big deal unless they are connected to power when you do it.
This just about puts this to bed don't you think? Thanks Toll for the info.

Jeff notes that the insistent and unnecessary request for me to cut my maf is a moot point.
 
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Old Jan 11, 2010 | 06:18 PM
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I'm cutting mine right now...
 

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Old Jan 11, 2010 | 07:56 PM
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Oh Brother . .. sigh

 
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lak3shor3_slat3
I'm cutting mine right now...
You shoulda have left the part where you mentioned "wrist". That was halarious.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 12:37 PM
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Back to performance chips . . . here is a photo of a performance chip that had listed for over $100.00 on EBAY.

Two wires, and a resistor.

Thats pretty funny.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by OCG35
Toll stated his ems reads his MAF signal... does that matter? I dont know but it might... I know one thing YOU dont know for certain whether it does or not.

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Actually it does matter. ALOT. Aside from Toll already clarifing for his hardwire Emanage install, this is from UTEC's site:

The UTEC gives you the ability to let the factory ECU

drive the car under normal cruise conditions then take over when you

are ready for the power in a flawless manor
. This gives you like stock

drive-ability with the advantages of a powerful stand-alone system. The

UTEC allows you to maintain OBDII compliancy while remaining unnoticed

to the OBD Scan process most states are adopting these days
Confirms what Toll was saying and in addition, if the OEM ecu saw an odd voltage range, it would trigger the OEM obdII CEL.

Toll is still using his MAF signal and hasn't switched to speed density so:

MAF Pull Up/Down- allows you to intercept the

MAF signal and add or subtract up to +/- 50% of the signal
. This form

of fuel control works best for mild naturally aspirated modifications.
This confirms he actually CUT the wire. Although he has an emanage, any EMS that controls fuel HAS to interecept the MAF signal. Which HAS to be essentially CUT and not spliced(ie.. for signal reference, not altering) Which in the UTEC's case, that entails placing the UTEC ems and harness inbetween the ecu and the original maf signal wire. ie.. 2 more contact points and 2 extra lengths of wires
 
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 06:48 PM
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^ Like I said it is not a TAP but an INTERCEPT. Cut wire. This is how it would look:

MAF >> EMANAGE >> ECU. It gives the Emanage the ability to adjust the MAF at any point BUT will not do so under average driving, it just sends the stock signal (unaltered).
 
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 08:17 PM
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I understand. Just putting another confirmation on your statements Toll
 
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Old Aug 27, 2010 | 04:39 PM
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I was reading about Stillen's new supercharger for the 370z and came across this. In order to install their system, two harness assemblies have to be lengthened. The throttle body harness and the MAF harness. In order to do this, the wires have to be completely cut and re-soldered.
http://my350z.com/forum/forced-induc...tallation.html

Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Did you have to extend the maf wiring also? Pic of extended harness?
Originally Posted by Chris@FsP
Yes, the wiring for both MAF sensors need to be extended. I don't have a picture of the MAF wiring, but it looks exactly like the TB extension picture in the first post
 
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