how to beat an m3....
I ran my 05 AT against a friends M3 before my mods. We ran from 1/4 mile runs to rolling at freeway speeds up to about 130. He beat me all the way, every way. Once I modded the car - he hasn't been able to catch me in any of the circumstances. He gets me off the line by about 1-2 cars - but after about 4 seconds - he's history. Once I put in the TQ Converter - the hole shot became mine as well.
I have extensive mods though and no FI...just about every mod that can be done, that actually makes sense, next to FI as a matter of fact.
05 Coupe/Auto/Ivory Pearl/PerfPkg-Aero Kit/OEM 19's - Chromed/Stillen CAI/UR UDP/Borla Exhaust/3.92 Gears/Nismo Cams/Performance Heads/Trans Kit and 3600 Stall Converter/Motordyne 1/2" Spacer with ISO Thermal/JDM Clear Corners/K40 Radar Protection/Hyper White's everywhere possible...more
I have extensive mods though and no FI...just about every mod that can be done, that actually makes sense, next to FI as a matter of fact.
05 Coupe/Auto/Ivory Pearl/PerfPkg-Aero Kit/OEM 19's - Chromed/Stillen CAI/UR UDP/Borla Exhaust/3.92 Gears/Nismo Cams/Performance Heads/Trans Kit and 3600 Stall Converter/Motordyne 1/2" Spacer with ISO Thermal/JDM Clear Corners/K40 Radar Protection/Hyper White's everywhere possible...more
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Geez, you've spent some bucks!!! Awesome collection of N/A mods though......
What year model M3 did your friend have? Just curious.
Since you and I have the same base car, what should I do next on my car?
Here's my current list:
JWT Pop Charger, Z-Tube, Motordyne 1/2" spacer with IsoThermal gasket, 10-wire grounding kit, Crawford Cats, Borla Exhaust.
What year model M3 did your friend have? Just curious.
Since you and I have the same base car, what should I do next on my car?
Here's my current list:
JWT Pop Charger, Z-Tube, Motordyne 1/2" spacer with IsoThermal gasket, 10-wire grounding kit, Crawford Cats, Borla Exhaust.
Last edited by jnkirk1974; Nov 3, 2005 at 09:58 PM.
Originally Posted by jnkirk1974
Geez, you've spent some bucks!!! Awesome collection of N/A mods though......
What year model M3 did your friend have? Just curious.
Since you and I have the same base car, what should I do next on my car?
Here's my current list:
JWT Pop Charger, Z-Tube, Motordyne 1/2" spacer with IsoThermal gasket, 10-wire grounding kit, Crawford Cats, Borla Exhaust.
What year model M3 did your friend have? Just curious.
Since you and I have the same base car, what should I do next on my car?
Here's my current list:
JWT Pop Charger, Z-Tube, Motordyne 1/2" spacer with IsoThermal gasket, 10-wire grounding kit, Crawford Cats, Borla Exhaust.
What should you do next? It depends on what you want from your car...pm me and we'll go from there...
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Originally Posted by ISMSOLUTIONS
I ran my 05 AT against a friends M3 before my mods. We ran from 1/4 mile runs to rolling at freeway speeds up to about 130. He beat me all the way, every way. Once I modded the car - he hasn't been able to catch me in any of the circumstances. He gets me off the line by about 1-2 cars - but after about 4 seconds - he's history. Once I put in the TQ Converter - the hole shot became mine as well.
I have extensive mods though and no FI...just about every mod that can be done, that actually makes sense, next to FI as a matter of fact.
05 Coupe/Auto/Ivory Pearl/PerfPkg-Aero Kit/OEM 19's - Chromed/Stillen CAI/UR UDP/Borla Exhaust/3.92 Gears/Nismo Cams/Performance Heads/Trans Kit and 3600 Stall Converter/Motordyne 1/2" Spacer with ISO Thermal/JDM Clear Corners/K40 Radar Protection/Hyper White's everywhere possible...more
I have extensive mods though and no FI...just about every mod that can be done, that actually makes sense, next to FI as a matter of fact.
05 Coupe/Auto/Ivory Pearl/PerfPkg-Aero Kit/OEM 19's - Chromed/Stillen CAI/UR UDP/Borla Exhaust/3.92 Gears/Nismo Cams/Performance Heads/Trans Kit and 3600 Stall Converter/Motordyne 1/2" Spacer with ISO Thermal/JDM Clear Corners/K40 Radar Protection/Hyper White's everywhere possible...more
Originally Posted by ISMSOLUTIONS
I ran my 05 AT against a friends M3 before my mods. We ran from 1/4 mile runs to rolling at freeway speeds up to about 130. He beat me all the way, every way. Once I modded the car - he hasn't been able to catch me in any of the circumstances. He gets me off the line by about 1-2 cars - but after about 4 seconds - he's history. Once I put in the TQ Converter - the hole shot became mine as well.
I have extensive mods though and no FI...just about every mod that can be done, that actually makes sense, next to FI as a matter of fact.
05 Coupe/Auto/Ivory Pearl/PerfPkg-Aero Kit/OEM 19's - Chromed/Stillen CAI/UR UDP/Borla Exhaust/3.92 Gears/Nismo Cams/Performance Heads/Trans Kit and 3600 Stall Converter/Motordyne 1/2" Spacer with ISO Thermal/JDM Clear Corners/K40 Radar Protection/Hyper White's everywhere possible...more
I have extensive mods though and no FI...just about every mod that can be done, that actually makes sense, next to FI as a matter of fact.
05 Coupe/Auto/Ivory Pearl/PerfPkg-Aero Kit/OEM 19's - Chromed/Stillen CAI/UR UDP/Borla Exhaust/3.92 Gears/Nismo Cams/Performance Heads/Trans Kit and 3600 Stall Converter/Motordyne 1/2" Spacer with ISO Thermal/JDM Clear Corners/K40 Radar Protection/Hyper White's everywhere possible...more
I think it's the JDM Clear Corners, which are giving you the edge.
Seriously . . . Good job!
Originally Posted by limeg35
How much did those mods set you back?
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Originally Posted by G35_TX
Okay, he knows what he is talking about? 100 hp extra needed to beat a M3? When it only dynos 260-270 normally and 240s tq?
When I have a stock dyno that does 253 hp and 231 tq. Neffster has been wrong on many things, and I won't go into detail on that. M3 isn't as much of a BEAST as you think. If he pulled 3 cars on you, then you obviously don't know how to drive. I have ran 3 M3s since owning my G35. 1 is my friends the other 2 were just around town. And all were the same results.
Next time remind me when you were in the car with me becuase you said I didn't beat him. Obviously you know something I don't. Same as Klumzee. He also had the same experience.
How can a G35 that gains 20 hp and 20 tq in the mid range that dynos stock 253 hp and 231 tq not beat a BMW that dynos normally 270 hp and 240 tq?
Lets do some math.
273 hp, 251 tq with motordyne.
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Straight to the point. Unless you have facts that can back yourself up the G35 in no way possible can beat a M3. Shut up! Because I posted the facts of a dyno m3, and will gladly pull some 1/4 times from the forums on what most run which is mid 13s with good driver some even in the low 14s bad driver. It isn't that much faster. But I can see how some might THINK we can't beat them or hang with them. I would say I was more dead even with the M3 than beat them.
Quote from article test:
All this mechanical gadgetry comes together to produce a nearly flawless powerplant that rockets the M3 from 0 to 60 in just 5 seconds flat. The quarter-mile streaks by in 13.5 seconds at a scorching 105 mph, ranking the M3 right up there with some of the fastest production cars in the world.
PS, I am also done argueing here with people who have no bases for there so called facts.
When I have a stock dyno that does 253 hp and 231 tq. Neffster has been wrong on many things, and I won't go into detail on that. M3 isn't as much of a BEAST as you think. If he pulled 3 cars on you, then you obviously don't know how to drive. I have ran 3 M3s since owning my G35. 1 is my friends the other 2 were just around town. And all were the same results.
Next time remind me when you were in the car with me becuase you said I didn't beat him. Obviously you know something I don't. Same as Klumzee. He also had the same experience.
How can a G35 that gains 20 hp and 20 tq in the mid range that dynos stock 253 hp and 231 tq not beat a BMW that dynos normally 270 hp and 240 tq?
Lets do some math.
273 hp, 251 tq with motordyne.
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Straight to the point. Unless you have facts that can back yourself up the G35 in no way possible can beat a M3. Shut up! Because I posted the facts of a dyno m3, and will gladly pull some 1/4 times from the forums on what most run which is mid 13s with good driver some even in the low 14s bad driver. It isn't that much faster. But I can see how some might THINK we can't beat them or hang with them. I would say I was more dead even with the M3 than beat them.
Quote from article test:
All this mechanical gadgetry comes together to produce a nearly flawless powerplant that rockets the M3 from 0 to 60 in just 5 seconds flat. The quarter-mile streaks by in 13.5 seconds at a scorching 105 mph, ranking the M3 right up there with some of the fastest production cars in the world.
PS, I am also done argueing here with people who have no bases for there so called facts.
but in SoCal, one stock 03 coupe did get 259HPs and 254TQ so what gives?
by your math, an car with 3 extra HPs and 11 more TQs is automaticly will beat the next car?
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Originally Posted by ISMSOLUTIONS
It too funny how you all argue about the MSRP of the stupid Bimmer...go to BMWUSA.COM and price MSRP yourself - as rare as they are to begin with - at 8%-12% higher to get it from the dealer...or if you have a better contact - your luckier.
Base model M3's are running about $57K in LA all - add NAV or performance package or other - and expect at least $62K MSRP - higher at the dealer. Most M3's in LA are at the $60K and up price.
Love the arguing though...pretty funny indeed.
OH yea - this is still G35Driver - or did I get M3Driver by accident!
I've raced a few M3's - beat some lost to some. I have a great friend who has modded his a bit - beat him as well.
If you can drive better than the bimmer driver - you might beat him - if your stock. Otherwise without intake, exhaust and at LEAST gears - you'll have no chance.
What was this thread about to begin with - I forgot - am I still on topic? I think my last sentence was....
Base model M3's are running about $57K in LA all - add NAV or performance package or other - and expect at least $62K MSRP - higher at the dealer. Most M3's in LA are at the $60K and up price.
Love the arguing though...pretty funny indeed.
OH yea - this is still G35Driver - or did I get M3Driver by accident!
I've raced a few M3's - beat some lost to some. I have a great friend who has modded his a bit - beat him as well.
If you can drive better than the bimmer driver - you might beat him - if your stock. Otherwise without intake, exhaust and at LEAST gears - you'll have no chance.
What was this thread about to begin with - I forgot - am I still on topic? I think my last sentence was....
Last edited by limeg35; Nov 5, 2005 at 08:59 AM.
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Originally Posted by ISMSOLUTIONS
About $5K. Less than a set of Volks and tires and 1/2 the price of FI with VERY similar performance in the end....best of all, the car is a sleeper.
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Here is a video of a 350z and an M3. It is not on a 1/4 mile track, but you can clearly see before the M3 got boxed in, that he was going to seriously pull on the 350z, and that was from a dig where the M3 was about 1.5 cars lenths behind the 350z at the start. Fast forward to 2 min 46 seconds and at 3 minutes.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3453134028305862891&q=nissan
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3453134028305862891&q=nissan
Yea but you can clear even HEAR him say that even on the straights THE M3 can't catch the 350z period. The Z has too much power and a lighter car for the M3 to catch. The start everyone was all over who knows if the Z was even on it floored or not.
But anyways, I have ran two M3s, and both of them were dead even with me in a race after the motordyne mod.
But anyways, I have ran two M3s, and both of them were dead even with me in a race after the motordyne mod.
Last edited by G35_TX; Nov 7, 2005 at 07:30 PM.
Originally Posted by G35_TX
Yea but you can clear even HEAR him say that even on the straights THE M3 can't catch the 350z period. The Z has too much power and a lighter car for the M3 to catch. The start everyone was all over who knows if the Z was even on it floored or not.
But anyways, I have ran two M3s, and both of them were dead even with me in a race after the motordyne mod.
But anyways, I have ran two M3s, and both of them were dead even with me in a race after the motordyne mod.
. . . . Calm down big guy, I was just teasing. On a serious note . . . G35_TX, just to clear things up, once again . . . Did you run against the 2 M3's from a dead stop or a rolling start? If it was from a rolling starting start . . . What were the specifics, whatever the scenarios were?
There is no question in my mind that MREV has better tapped into the G's NA potential. I don't plan to hunt down M3's anytime in the near future, I'll just live vicariously through your experiences.
Edit: paulywalnuts446, did you ever imagine that your simple question(s) would have led to this?
Last edited by Andy2434; Nov 7, 2005 at 07:59 PM.
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Originally Posted by G35_TX
Yea but you can clear even HEAR him say that even on the straights THE M3 can't catch the 350z period. The Z has too much power and a lighter car for the M3 to catch. The start everyone was all over who knows if the Z was even on it floored or not.
But anyways, I have ran two M3s, and both of them were dead even with me in a race after the motordyne mod.
But anyways, I have ran two M3s, and both of them were dead even with me in a race after the motordyne mod.