how to beat an m3....
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Originally Posted by ISMSOLUTIONS
Hey all - killing M3's is possible without FI - Cams, heads and gears - intake and exhaust - do the trick. I have a VERY good friend who has a slighly modded M3 - and he CAN drive - and I BEAT HIM every time - by a good 7-10 car lengths - then again - I pull 12's in the 1/4. so 3/4 to a full sec is worth 7-10 cars - and mine is an AUTO.
Don't say you can't beat them without FI - YOU CAN IF YOU DO IT RIGHT.
Don't say you can't beat them without FI - YOU CAN IF YOU DO IT RIGHT.
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[QUOTE=neffster]G35_TX
1. I know what 'the mod' is.
Bet you $100 CASH that I'm right.
2. I have a Vortech S/C and I run 13.5 @ 109mph CONSISTANTLY. Stock M3's run 13.5 times too.
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That's nothing to get too excited about.... My ATI Procharged 350Z ran 12.70s@112 all day long with nothing more than a Nismo exhaust...--------------
3. All of these people posting 13.x with a NA G's are quoting times off of either an improperly calibrated device they hook up in their car or they are doing some "calibration" to their track times, are VERY GOOD - professional drivers (or they're just full of BS to begin with).
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Wrong again. I ran a 13.55@105.5 and a 13.61@104.8 on the same night at Texas Motorplex...and I am normally aspirated. however, I have made over 500 passes down the track in 40+ different cars, so I do know a little somethin about somethin when it comes to drag racing (and I'm no punk kid either
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4. The G with FI is NOT good at getting power to the ground (from a dead stand still) PERIOD.
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I netted 2.1 to 2.3 60ft times in my lighter 350Z without an LSD. With some practice you could be in the 12's easy.
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5. A centrifugal S/C has major lag until ~3500rpms. By this point you're past the 60' mark and the race is already over. Try dropping the clutch at 2500 rpms and you will bog. Try it at 3000 rpms and you spin like crazy.
(at least that's my experience after many many runs with the FI setup).
I made an educated comment about something that I am more familiar with than you are. Have you ever launched a S/C'd G35 at the staging lights? Why do you continue to question my comments and put me down at the same time?
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I'll give you this...your trap speeds are alot better than mine (I'm only putting 285hp to the wheels). As far as 1/4 mile times I have run 13.50s in my heavy sedan
1. I know what 'the mod' is.
Bet you $100 CASH that I'm right.2. I have a Vortech S/C and I run 13.5 @ 109mph CONSISTANTLY. Stock M3's run 13.5 times too.
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That's nothing to get too excited about.... My ATI Procharged 350Z ran 12.70s@112 all day long with nothing more than a Nismo exhaust...--------------
3. All of these people posting 13.x with a NA G's are quoting times off of either an improperly calibrated device they hook up in their car or they are doing some "calibration" to their track times, are VERY GOOD - professional drivers (or they're just full of BS to begin with).
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Wrong again. I ran a 13.55@105.5 and a 13.61@104.8 on the same night at Texas Motorplex...and I am normally aspirated. however, I have made over 500 passes down the track in 40+ different cars, so I do know a little somethin about somethin when it comes to drag racing (and I'm no punk kid either
)4. The G with FI is NOT good at getting power to the ground (from a dead stand still) PERIOD.
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I netted 2.1 to 2.3 60ft times in my lighter 350Z without an LSD. With some practice you could be in the 12's easy.
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5. A centrifugal S/C has major lag until ~3500rpms. By this point you're past the 60' mark and the race is already over. Try dropping the clutch at 2500 rpms and you will bog. Try it at 3000 rpms and you spin like crazy.
(at least that's my experience after many many runs with the FI setup).I made an educated comment about something that I am more familiar with than you are. Have you ever launched a S/C'd G35 at the staging lights? Why do you continue to question my comments and put me down at the same time?
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I'll give you this...your trap speeds are alot better than mine (I'm only putting 285hp to the wheels). As far as 1/4 mile times I have run 13.50s in my heavy sedan
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While the performance is similar between the older (non rev-up) 6MTs and the '05 6MTs in STOCK form, the '05s respond much better to modifications. I've owned and modded both. The 3.917 gear ratio change alone will net you .4 to .5 second drop in 1/4 mile alone and..get this... will add 2 mph to your trap speeds. I picked up 28hp and 40pft of torque at the wheels with my mods (and many other tweaks not in my sig BTW). While I didn't see much reduction in elapsed time (due mostly to erradic 60ft times with street rubber), I picked up a whopping 5-6 mph in the traps.
Unless you've played the mod game with an '05 rev-up, you have no idea what the potential is....
Unless you've played the mod game with an '05 rev-up, you have no idea what the potential is....
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ZXiman,
You probably have a car that's 200-300 pounds lighter and 5x the drag racing experience of 99% of the people registered on driver. Since I'm speaking in "generalities" I wouldn't say "I'm wrong".
I even qualified my statements with the "professional driver" comment knowing that there are a few people who can pull times in a stock v-6 mustang that could beat most of the G owners on this site.
BTW, your times aren't too impressive compared to the 11.13 time one of the guys on my350z.com got w/o headers or cams and he even posted a video of his run and the slips.
I know it can be done, just not by most of the people posting on this forum...
If you're ever in FL, look me up in the Florida G35 Club forum. I'd love to take a few tips from a pro.
You probably have a car that's 200-300 pounds lighter and 5x the drag racing experience of 99% of the people registered on driver. Since I'm speaking in "generalities" I wouldn't say "I'm wrong".
I even qualified my statements with the "professional driver" comment knowing that there are a few people who can pull times in a stock v-6 mustang that could beat most of the G owners on this site.
BTW, your times aren't too impressive compared to the 11.13 time one of the guys on my350z.com got w/o headers or cams and he even posted a video of his run and the slips.
I know it can be done, just not by most of the people posting on this forum... If you're ever in FL, look me up in the Florida G35 Club forum. I'd love to take a few tips from a pro.
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Originally Posted by neffster
ZXiman,
You probably have a car that's 200-300 pounds lighter and 5x the drag racing experience of 99% of the people registered on driver. Since I'm speaking in "generalities" I wouldn't say "I'm wrong".
How would my car be 200-300 pounds lighter? I have a "heavier" '05 sedan... Oh you mean the 350Z? I don't own that car anymore.
I even qualified my statements with the "professional driver" comment knowing that there are a few people who can pull times in a stock v-6 mustang that could beat most of the G owners on this site.
I wouldn't say I'm a "professional" driver... maybe an expert? lol
BTW, your times aren't too impressive compared to the 11.13 time one of the guys on my350z.com got w/o headers or cams and he even posted a video of his run and the slips. I know it can be done, just not by most of the people posting on this forum...
Try doing 11's on good old street rubber. I've only owned two cars that could ('04 Lingenfelter Z06 and '97 Viper GTS). My drag racing days are pretty much over as far as "quest" for times. I typically drive to the track and line up. No "drag racing" specific changes to my vehicle. A mid 12 second timeslip with Bridgestone S0-3s is attainable with F/I. Nowadays I only go to the track to verify differences mods make... I could care a less about gutting my car, putting skinny 16" wheels up front and slicks in the back. With enough *money* and a little experience *anyone* can go 11's..even 10's or 9's.... if the price is right. I stand by my statement that it doesn't take F/I to beat an M3 and can be done N/A without head work and cams.
If you're ever in FL, look me up in the Florida G35 Club forum. I'd love to take a few tips from a pro.
You probably have a car that's 200-300 pounds lighter and 5x the drag racing experience of 99% of the people registered on driver. Since I'm speaking in "generalities" I wouldn't say "I'm wrong".
How would my car be 200-300 pounds lighter? I have a "heavier" '05 sedan... Oh you mean the 350Z? I don't own that car anymore.
I even qualified my statements with the "professional driver" comment knowing that there are a few people who can pull times in a stock v-6 mustang that could beat most of the G owners on this site.
I wouldn't say I'm a "professional" driver... maybe an expert? lol
BTW, your times aren't too impressive compared to the 11.13 time one of the guys on my350z.com got w/o headers or cams and he even posted a video of his run and the slips.
I know it can be done, just not by most of the people posting on this forum... Try doing 11's on good old street rubber. I've only owned two cars that could ('04 Lingenfelter Z06 and '97 Viper GTS). My drag racing days are pretty much over as far as "quest" for times. I typically drive to the track and line up. No "drag racing" specific changes to my vehicle. A mid 12 second timeslip with Bridgestone S0-3s is attainable with F/I. Nowadays I only go to the track to verify differences mods make... I could care a less about gutting my car, putting skinny 16" wheels up front and slicks in the back. With enough *money* and a little experience *anyone* can go 11's..even 10's or 9's.... if the price is right. I stand by my statement that it doesn't take F/I to beat an M3 and can be done N/A without head work and cams.
If you're ever in FL, look me up in the Florida G35 Club forum. I'd love to take a few tips from a pro.
LOL.
Originally Posted by neffster
ZXiman,
You probably have a car that's 200-300 pounds lighter and 5x the drag racing experience of 99% of the people registered on driver. Since I'm speaking in "generalities" I wouldn't say "I'm wrong".
I even qualified my statements with the "professional driver" comment knowing that there are a few people who can pull times in a stock v-6 mustang that could beat most of the G owners on this site.
BTW, your times aren't too impressive compared to the 11.13 time one of the guys on my350z.com got w/o headers or cams and he even posted a video of his run and the slips. I know it can be done, just not by most of the people posting on this forum...
If you're ever in FL, look me up in the Florida G35 Club forum. I'd love to take a few tips from a pro.
You probably have a car that's 200-300 pounds lighter and 5x the drag racing experience of 99% of the people registered on driver. Since I'm speaking in "generalities" I wouldn't say "I'm wrong".
I even qualified my statements with the "professional driver" comment knowing that there are a few people who can pull times in a stock v-6 mustang that could beat most of the G owners on this site.
BTW, your times aren't too impressive compared to the 11.13 time one of the guys on my350z.com got w/o headers or cams and he even posted a video of his run and the slips.
I know it can be done, just not by most of the people posting on this forum... If you're ever in FL, look me up in the Florida G35 Club forum. I'd love to take a few tips from a pro.
OMG neffster, I wouldn't think you would post something as dumb as this.
It doesn't take FI or cams or headers to beat a M3. I already proved that and so did Klumzee.
Originally Posted by G35_TX
OMG neffster, I wouldn't think you would post something as dumb as this.
It doesn't take FI or cams or headers to beat a M3. I already proved that and so did Klumzee.
It doesn't take FI or cams or headers to beat a M3. I already proved that and so did Klumzee.
I am not looking to slay M3's, although that would be nice. Actually, I think Klumzyee said that he kept up with the M3. I simply want a decent increase in rwhp and torque without having to add a dozen bolt-ons and without having to go to the expense of F.I.
It's unfortunte that this latest mod is only available for the '05 6MT's. Perhaps, that is why you guys are receiving all of this flack. In any event, I trust you folks are enjoying your newly found power. It must be fun.
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Originally Posted by neffster
G35_TX
1. I know what 'the mod' is. Bet you $100 CASH that I'm right.
2. I have a Vortech S/C and I run 13.5 @ 109mph CONSISTANTLY. Stock M3's run 13.5 times too.
3. All of these people posting 13.x with a NA G's are quoting times off of either an improperly calibrated device they hook up in their car or they are doing some "calibration" to their track times, are VERY GOOD - professional drivers (or they're just full of BS to begin with).
4. The G with FI is NOT good at getting power to the ground (from a dead stand still) PERIOD.
5. A centrifugal S/C has major lag until ~3500rpms. By this point you're past the 60' mark and the race is already over. Try dropping the clutch at 2500 rpms and you will bog. Try it at 3000 rpms and you spin like crazy. (at least that's my experience after many many runs with the FI setup).
You are wrong here. In the latest issue of Modified Mag (on newstands now), they installed an APS TT on a 350Z (pretty much a G engine) and there is no lag and the wheels barely grip at 2500 rpm. There is no Bog. Essentially, it gained about 120 rwhp and 122 lb-ft of torque that pulled in 12.44s. Yes, I know it is a 350z but you know it will almost likely do the same on a G. Hell, go to the newstand and read the article.
I made an educated comment about something that I am more familiar with than you are. Have you ever launched a S/C'd G35 at the staging lights? Why do you continue to question my comments and put me down at the same time?
Wanna take that $100 bet?
I'll post my guess in public and then when it comes out one of us will be $100 richer!!!
BTW, out of respect for Tony I'd rather not blurt out what I think this is and why, but I've sent you a PM...
1. I know what 'the mod' is.
Bet you $100 CASH that I'm right.2. I have a Vortech S/C and I run 13.5 @ 109mph CONSISTANTLY. Stock M3's run 13.5 times too.
3. All of these people posting 13.x with a NA G's are quoting times off of either an improperly calibrated device they hook up in their car or they are doing some "calibration" to their track times, are VERY GOOD - professional drivers (or they're just full of BS to begin with).
4. The G with FI is NOT good at getting power to the ground (from a dead stand still) PERIOD.
5. A centrifugal S/C has major lag until ~3500rpms. By this point you're past the 60' mark and the race is already over. Try dropping the clutch at 2500 rpms and you will bog. Try it at 3000 rpms and you spin like crazy.
(at least that's my experience after many many runs with the FI setup).You are wrong here. In the latest issue of Modified Mag (on newstands now), they installed an APS TT on a 350Z (pretty much a G engine) and there is no lag and the wheels barely grip at 2500 rpm. There is no Bog. Essentially, it gained about 120 rwhp and 122 lb-ft of torque that pulled in 12.44s. Yes, I know it is a 350z but you know it will almost likely do the same on a G. Hell, go to the newstand and read the article.
I made an educated comment about something that I am more familiar with than you are. Have you ever launched a S/C'd G35 at the staging lights? Why do you continue to question my comments and put me down at the same time?
Wanna take that $100 bet?
I'll post my guess in public and then when it comes out one of us will be $100 richer!!!BTW, out of respect for Tony I'd rather not blurt out what I think this is and why, but I've sent you a PM...
Why are we even arguing about the new Motordyne anyways? He did it, has the results (which G35_Tex has posted) and so did Klumzee. I can see why you are arguing if you had the new Motordyne mod but you don't but insists on it. Finally, why are we even arguing in the first place? The M3 is a really good car (kinda plain to the point of being almost ugly) but it is like 20K more than our cars. Our car costs less not because of performance as much as it is because those cars are overpriced. If money wasn't an issue (but it amost always is), then just mod the car to be a real Skyline. Better yet, wait until one reaches our shores. Until then, let's all just get along
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Mephisto,
The M3 is not overpriced. It offers speed gobs of speed and torque, amazing handling, the smoothest 6spd on the market, best interior, exterior etc...
Not to mention all maintenance is included for 4 years, and you're only paying for tires.
It's not an Evo or STi that just has speed, it's a TRUE LUXURY sports car. You can make a civic faster than a Ferarri, speed isn't everything.
The M3 is not overpriced. It offers speed gobs of speed and torque, amazing handling, the smoothest 6spd on the market, best interior, exterior etc...
Not to mention all maintenance is included for 4 years, and you're only paying for tires.
It's not an Evo or STi that just has speed, it's a TRUE LUXURY sports car. You can make a civic faster than a Ferarri, speed isn't everything.
Originally Posted by MikeyMike
Mephisto,
The M3 is not overpriced. It offers speed gobs of speed and torque, amazing handling, the smoothest 6spd on the market, best interior, exterior etc...
Not to mention all maintenance is included for 4 years, and you're only paying for tires.
It's not an Evo or STi that just has speed, it's a TRUE LUXURY sports car. You can make a civic faster than a Ferarri, speed isn't everything.
The M3 is not overpriced. It offers speed gobs of speed and torque, amazing handling, the smoothest 6spd on the market, best interior, exterior etc...
Not to mention all maintenance is included for 4 years, and you're only paying for tires.
It's not an Evo or STi that just has speed, it's a TRUE LUXURY sports car. You can make a civic faster than a Ferarri, speed isn't everything.
But its not gobs of speed when its barely faster than our G35.
Best interior/exterior is subjective.
It too funny how you all argue about the MSRP of the stupid Bimmer...go to BMWUSA.COM and price MSRP yourself - as rare as they are to begin with - at 8%-12% higher to get it from the dealer...or if you have a better contact - your luckier.
Base model M3's are running about $57K in LA all - add NAV or performance package or other - and expect at least $62K MSRP - higher at the dealer. Most M3's in LA are at the $60K and up price.
Love the arguing though...pretty funny indeed.
OH yea - this is still G35Driver - or did I get M3Driver by accident!
I've raced a few M3's - beat some lost to some. I have a great friend who has modded his a bit - beat him as well.
If you can drive better than the bimmer driver - you might beat him - if your stock. Otherwise without intake, exhaust and at LEAST gears - you'll have no chance.
What was this thread about to begin with - I forgot - am I still on topic? I think my last sentence was....
Base model M3's are running about $57K in LA all - add NAV or performance package or other - and expect at least $62K MSRP - higher at the dealer. Most M3's in LA are at the $60K and up price.
Love the arguing though...pretty funny indeed.
OH yea - this is still G35Driver - or did I get M3Driver by accident!
I've raced a few M3's - beat some lost to some. I have a great friend who has modded his a bit - beat him as well.
If you can drive better than the bimmer driver - you might beat him - if your stock. Otherwise without intake, exhaust and at LEAST gears - you'll have no chance.
What was this thread about to begin with - I forgot - am I still on topic? I think my last sentence was....
Originally Posted by MikeyMike
Mephisto,
The M3 is not overpriced. It offers speed gobs of speed and torque, amazing handling, the smoothest 6spd on the market, best interior, exterior etc...
Not to mention all maintenance is included for 4 years, and you're only paying for tires.
It's not an Evo or STi that just has speed, it's a TRUE LUXURY sports car. You can make a civic faster than a Ferarri, speed isn't everything.
The M3 is not overpriced. It offers speed gobs of speed and torque, amazing handling, the smoothest 6spd on the market, best interior, exterior etc...
Not to mention all maintenance is included for 4 years, and you're only paying for tires.
It's not an Evo or STi that just has speed, it's a TRUE LUXURY sports car. You can make a civic faster than a Ferarri, speed isn't everything.
Bimmers in general are over priced. I have owned 3 of them over the pass 20 years. They are great cars. I have never had any issues with mine. However, to say they are not over priced is not true. My current G is still cheaper than my first bimmer. I can't compare the cars . . . But that was alot of CASHOLA back then, as it still is now.
It's all about perception and what the market will bear to a certain extent. I had decided that for my next daily driver not to buy back in to all of the hype.
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I'm not really convinced Andy...
The BMW is *expensive*, but not *overpiced*, IMO. I think with the BMW you get what you pay for. The real question to me is, is that extra you pay really necessary? But this is a separate discussion and I don't want to hijack the thread any longer.
G35Tex....do you know anyone with an e46 M3? I'd love to see you racing an M3 on Video...I might be considered ignorant after seeing these dyno's and stories, but I just cant believe a G could take on an M3 without FI.
I'd have to see it to believe it.
The BMW is *expensive*, but not *overpiced*, IMO. I think with the BMW you get what you pay for. The real question to me is, is that extra you pay really necessary? But this is a separate discussion and I don't want to hijack the thread any longer.
G35Tex....do you know anyone with an e46 M3? I'd love to see you racing an M3 on Video...I might be considered ignorant after seeing these dyno's and stories, but I just cant believe a G could take on an M3 without FI.
I'd have to see it to believe it.
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Originally Posted by MikeyMike
I'm not really convinced Andy...
The BMW is *expensive*, but not *overpiced*, IMO. I think with the BMW you get what you pay for. The real question to me is, is that extra you pay really necessary? But this is a separate discussion and I don't want to hijack the thread any longer.
G35Tex....do you know anyone with an e46 M3? I'd love to see you racing an M3 on Video...I might be considered ignorant after seeing these dyno's and stories, but I just cant believe a G could take on an M3 without FI.
I'd have to see it to believe it.
The BMW is *expensive*, but not *overpiced*, IMO. I think with the BMW you get what you pay for. The real question to me is, is that extra you pay really necessary? But this is a separate discussion and I don't want to hijack the thread any longer.
G35Tex....do you know anyone with an e46 M3? I'd love to see you racing an M3 on Video...I might be considered ignorant after seeing these dyno's and stories, but I just cant believe a G could take on an M3 without FI.
I'd have to see it to believe it.
I also have to see this new Motordyn Mod in action too to believe what all the hype is about. Yes, we've seen the Dynos, heard/read the stories, but I have to see it to believe it. Sorta like Ghosts (oh, did I mentioned it is almost Holloween?!)
I am anxiously awaiting this new mod. I have so many things piled up and on order (and plenty of wish lists) for my car I just want to see this before I do anything else. Happy Driving!
