With all the "noticed a difference", "has it in all of his cars", "runs smoother", and "more power" comments in this thread, there MUST be a way to quantitatively measure the benefit.

You just need to put together a well-designed set of experiments (with controls of course) and collect the data. If the work is done right, there will be little to argue with. Until I see that data though, I'm going to remain on the "it's all hype" side of the fence.


Black/Willow 03.5 6MT, Premium, Navi, Aero, SAT
350Z Nismo CAI

 

I totally agree with you dude. If I spend 100 bucks for a mod on my car I want to know it will make a difference. A lot of these companies out here say it will do all this and it really doesnt. Use common sense when looking into mod's for any car.

 

To this guy catatfish, I am not argueing with you on this ground wire thing. Honestly, these are brand new cars, if they needed more grounding they would be in trouble. I am just saying for the money and cost, it is not a wise investment. Maybe you have the money for these mod's just so you can say you have done them, I am more practical I guess. Plus most importantly, If you think you can improve on a .09 of one volt voltage drop, your a guru. I am just saying that .09, you will never feel the difference in your ride. I will argue that to the grave. Oh well like I said, I have been on these cars longer than most, and have been around Nissan even longer. I own a G35, and have access to more information than you. But I am here to offer any help and support that I can to fellow G35 peeps. I have never been a hot rodder that kept all his secrets to himself. I believe in sharing information. And that is all I am doing.

 

thread back and in full effect..



GGG Member Signup

 

HooRaaa! It's back....Gotta state that the ECU/TCU wires
have improved the 5AT manual mode shifting!

2003 TwBlue 5AT Sedan, sunroof,
Graphite Leather, splashguards, HKS exhaust,
14 wire Grounding kit, 350Z duct, Stillen CAI
Underbody rear diffusers, Drilled alum pedals

 

It’s been over a week since I've had the 10-wire GroundingGear™ kit installed in my car and here are my observations:

Idle: Maybe Infiniti changed something to the 2004 cars as my idle speeds where already good. I haven't noticed a difference on this part.

Gas Mileage:

I've actually saved every gas receipt with mileage posted on each one since I bought my car 6 months ago. Once I finish this tank of gas I will start comparing the before and after.

Smoothness and throttle response:

I've noticed a subtle difference in the above two things but unless you drive your car everyday like me you might not notice anything.

I did a double blind test with my wife but she didn't say anything to me about the car behaving any differently but she doesn't drive the car enough to notice the improvements. I haven't told her anything yet as I didn't want to spoil the double blind observations.

Now for best part....

The Automatic transmission has improved a great deal especially in the Manual Mode. I don't care what anybody else thinks or says I noticed a huge difference. When I got my car it had just come off the truck so it only had 3 or 6 miles on it. I tried the manual mode several times but didn't like it as it sometimes ignored your requests even though it would not have put it over the redline or under revved the car. It also seemed to have some kind of noticeable delay when you shifted to the next gear or downshifted.

I now find myself using the manual mode a lot now. It’s so responsive now it brings a smile to my face. I even did a pretty nice downshift where it snapped my head back.

My big hope is the gas mileage improves because putting in 25 bucks a week in gas gets old after a while but I'm sure it won't improve enough per week to save a lot but if I get 1 to 2 miles a gallon difference then the savings will add up later. I was use to 5 bucks a week in gas for my 1987 Honda CRX but that’s comparing apples and oranges.

I’ll keep everyone posted on gas mileage results and I’ll probably ask my wife if she’s noticed anything different on the car.

I hope everyone has a good weekend.




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Smoothness and throttle response have typically been the most widely reported benefits on most initial impressions. It may be that the difference depends on the car.

The GM at the Infiniti dealer has a set of GroundingGear™ in his 350Z Track, a Super-Charged Frontier, and his wife's G35. He stated it made a significant difference in the Frontier and G35. He notices less in his 6MT 350Z and thinks it is more noticeable depending on weather conditions, ie. better in high humidity. He did however report better gas mileage on a long highway drive- an increase of 1.9 liters per 100km which he thought was significant.

I'm looking forward to gas mileage results on steady-state highway miles as it's hard to evaluate in city driving.

<font color=blue>[i]GroundingGear™ Equipped </font color=blue>

 

In three weeks I'm doing a 1800 mile roundtrip and I'll be on the highways 95% of the time. I'll let everyone know what the results are when I get back.

 

Here's the contents of our temporary HGR Thread, pulled over so it's all in one place.

* * * START of Temp HGRT Contents * * *
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<TABLE WIDTH="100%" ALIGN="center" CELLPADDING=0 CELLSPACING=0 BORDER=0><TR><TD class="tableborders"><TABLE CELLPADDING="3" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH=100% BORDER=0><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post232527"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Hyper Ground Resource Thread</td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=gdupg35&Number=232527&Bo ard=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&pa rt=all&vc=1">gdupg35</a> (Majorly G-tarded)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/20/04 01:03 PM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">Post deleted by dyenboy<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by dyenboy on 04/21/04 10:23 AM.</EM></FONT></P></span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post232552"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread *DELETED*<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=232527&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: gdupg35</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=gsedanman&Number=232552& Board=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5& part=all&vc=1"><font color="#FF0000">gsedanman</font></a><img src="/w3timages/adm.gif" alt="Administrator" border=0> (aMAZed)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/19/04 05:40 PM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">Post deleted by dyenboy</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post232828"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=232527&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: gdupg35</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="4" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=zimbo&Number=232828&Boar d=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part =all&vc=1">zimbo</a> (Addict)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/20/04 04:18 AM</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Attachment</td><td><a href="/forums/attatchments/232828-grounding.jpg">232828-grounding.jpg</a></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">Ok, since that other thread was removed, I'll post my picture here. As I promised gordgee I would do (if you missed my challenge in a previous thread well that's too bad), here is the GroundingGear on my supercharged G35 sedan:



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</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post232831"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=232828&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: zimbo</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=cato&Number=232831&Board =13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part= all&vc=1">cato</a> (Gfreak)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/20/04 04:28 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">Did you notice anything after you installed it?

2003 TwBlue 5AT Sedan, sunroof,
Graphite Leather, splashguards, HKS exhaust,
14 wire Grounding kit, 350Z duct, Stillen CAI
Underbody rear diffusers, Drilled alum pedals</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post233045"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=232831&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: cato</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=hooner67&Number=233045&B oard=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&p art=all&vc=1">hooner67</a> ()</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/20/04 10:18 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">Guys, Can you give me length of each cables??
Thanks.

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</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post233116"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=233045&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: hooner67</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=SDGee&Number=233116&Boar d=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part =all&vc=1">SDGee</a> (Journeyman)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/20/04 11:34 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">Hi there gsedanman,

I'm sorry to bug you but the resource thread is gone. I bought the 5 wire grounding kit from stillen a while back and put it on. I noticed no diff. I have been reading your posts about the development of an improved system. I am interested in your system. Can I just add the additional wires to the stillen system? Or do I need all new wires? Did you do a before and after dyno? What dose your butt dyno tell you? What type of improvements if any will I notice with your system vs. the Stillen system? Sorry for all of the questions. I usually try to do a search and answer my own questions but I can't seem to find the answers.

Thanks in advance,

Eric

UR pulley soon
Thinking about the TechnoSquare ECU after UR install


Black on Black 6MT W/Clear Corners & PIAAs
Borla TDE
Hyper Grounding Kit
Z Tube/JWT Pop Charger
Custom 19s</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post233184"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=233116&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: SDGee</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=ryoken&Number=233184&Boa rd=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&par t=all&vc=1"><font color="#00AA00">ryoken</font></a><img src="/w3timages/mod.gif" alt="Moderator" border=0> (Nyo Wife)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/20/04 12:43 PM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">SDGee:

You want gordgee, not gsedanman. Try sending him a PM with your question.

</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post234042"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=233184&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: ryoken</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=dyenboy&Number=234042&Bo ard=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&pa rt=all&vc=1"><font color="#FF0000">dyenboy</font></a><img src="/w3timages/adm.gif" alt="Administrator" border=0> (Gfreak)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/21/04 10:22 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">We are trying to ressurrect the orginal resources thread. In the mean time, please use this thread.

Once again, I apologized for any inconvience.

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<SPAN CLASS="post">Pic of GroundingGear™ on 2004 G35C 5AT.

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</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post234327"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=232828&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: zimbo</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=S2000rs&Number=234327&Bo ard=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&pa rt=all&vc=1">S2000rs</a> ()</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/21/04 02:56 PM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">does anyone know the lengths of each cable? where can i buy 4 guage wire?


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</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post234336"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=234042&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: dyenboy</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=S2000rs&Number=234336&Bo ard=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&pa rt=all&vc=1">S2000rs</a> ()</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/21/04 03:12 PM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">yes, please put the old thread up, it was pretty useful. Thank you!

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<SPAN CLASS="post">from what i remembered, i don't think you're going to get any measurements information on that thread--only dyno results and install instructions, my friend. the exact measurements and locations for install was all protected by copyright, i believe.

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</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post234889"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=234327&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: S2000rs</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=cato&Number=234889&Board =13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part= all&vc=1">cato</a> (Gfreak)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/22/04 03:50 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">You can buy 4 gague wire at any electrical supply shop.
I bought enough to make 4 additional cables to add to my
Grounding Gear 10 wire set. I don't remember the lengths
of the wires. But you can measure them yourself, Look at the
posted pic of Gordgee's basic 7 wire set and measure the
length of string it takes to reach.

2003 TwBlue 5AT Sedan, sunroof,
Graphite Leather, splashguards, HKS exhaust,
14 wire Grounding kit, 350Z duct, Stillen CAI
Underbody rear diffusers, Drilled alum pedals</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post236236"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=234889&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: cato</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=cnts13&Number=236236&Boa rd=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&par t=all&vc=1">cnts13</a> (Newbie)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/23/04 09:44 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">I do not know if this is the information in this has changed or not. It was originaly taken from a post by "gsedanman" on 5/21/03 in the original thread (So it's fairly old).

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</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post236246"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=236236&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: cnts13</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=cnts13&Number=236246&Boa rd=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&par t=all&vc=1">cnts13</a> (Newbie)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/23/04 09:54 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">The picture that I attempted to attach was too big. Here are the details from gsedanman's original scanned image:

#1 - 16" - Left side of intake manafold to front of the engine.
#2 - 19" - Left side of intake manafold to left side chassis ground.
#3 - 29" - Rear left of intake manafold to front of engine.
#4 - 30" - Left side of intake manafold to the negative connection of the battery.
#5 - 32" - Rear right of the intake manafold to the front of the engine.
#6 - 30" - Rear right of the intake manafold to the front of the engine.

He did not yet have a measurement for wire #7.

Just relaying some history from a post that I had saved from months ago. Use the info for what it's worth, no warranty implied.

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by cnts13 on 04/23/04 01:17 PM.</EM></FONT></P></span>

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<SPAN CLASS="post">How much was a 7 wire grounding gear kit?? does anybody know??


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</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post239173"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=239090&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: havok5414</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=cato&Number=239173&Board =13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part= all&vc=1">cato</a> (Gfreak)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/27/04 03:58 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">It was around $70 US. Gordon may have raised his prices...

2003 TwBlue 5AT Sedan, sunroof,
Graphite Leather, splashguards, HKS exhaust,
14 wire Grounding kit, 350Z duct, Stillen CAI
Underbody rear diffusers, Drilled alum pedals</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post239765"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=236246&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: cnts13</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=korz&Number=239765&Board =13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part= all&vc=1">korz</a> ()</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/27/04 04:15 PM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">cnts13, you indicate #5 & #6 doing the same connection - is that right?

Ron.

04 Diamond Graphite Sedan - 5AT / sunroof /
Deep Cut Rubber Floor Mats (Chicago Winters) /
PREORDER WINDOWS-UP MOD</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post239768"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=239173&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: cato</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=korz&Number=239768&Board =13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part= all&vc=1">korz</a> ()</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/27/04 04:20 PM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">cato, who is gordon?

04 Diamond Graphite Sedan - 5AT / sunroof /
Deep Cut Rubber Floor Mats (Chicago Winters) /
PREORDER WINDOWS-UP MOD</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post240226"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=239768&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: korz</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=homeydog97&Number=240226 &Board=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 &part=all&vc=1">homeydog97</a> ()</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/28/04 02:30 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">Question for all those people who installed the grounding kits:

How long did it take to install the kit? I just got the 7 + 1 Grounding Gear kit plus I also got the grounding cables for the TCU and ECU for my 04G35C AT5 and wanted to know how long this would take to install.

Thanks

</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post240236"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=239768&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: korz</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=cato&Number=240236&Board =13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part= all&vc=1">cato</a> (Gfreak)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/28/04 03:52 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">Korz,

Gordon Gee is gordgee, one of the moderators of this site and
maker of GroundingGear Hypergrounding wires specifically
made for our G35s.

2003 TwBlue 5AT Sedan, sunroof,
Graphite Leather, splashguards, HKS exhaust,
14 wire Grounding kit, 350Z duct, Stillen CAI
Underbody rear diffusers, Drilled alum pedals</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post240238"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=240226&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: homeydog97</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=cato&Number=240238&Board =13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part= all&vc=1">cato</a> (Gfreak)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/28/04 03:56 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">Homeydog97,
I would suspect it would take around three hours or more to
install all the wires. The #7 wire to the tranny might be the
hardest. It took me around one plus hours to install the
TCU/ECU wires. The basic 6 wires should take one hour
or so, depending on your skill level. If you drop any of the
bolts into the engine bay, add another hour. HeHe
Be warned, don't let the bolts drop!

2003 TwBlue 5AT Sedan, sunroof,
Graphite Leather, splashguards, HKS exhaust,
14 wire Grounding kit, 350Z duct, Stillen CAI
Underbody rear diffusers, Drilled alum pedals</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post240257"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=240238&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: cato</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=homeydog97&Number=240257 &Board=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 &part=all&vc=1">homeydog97</a> ()</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/28/04 04:50 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">Thanks for the information! I went the other day to the dealership and they told me 3 hours of labor. I said no way and then they kept dropping the labor time until we agreed on 1.5 hours plus if they go over it they are eating the additional cost. I think they want to see how the TCU and ECU wires work out.

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</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post240263"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=240257&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: homeydog97</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=cato&Number=240263&Board =13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part= all&vc=1">cato</a> (Gfreak)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/28/04 04:59 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">You are gonna have the Infiniti dealership install the wires?
Save yourself the money and do it yourself. I enjoyed installing
the set, with the exception of the #7 to the tranny!

2003 TwBlue 5AT Sedan, sunroof,
Graphite Leather, splashguards, HKS exhaust,
14 wire Grounding kit, 350Z duct, Stillen CAI
Underbody rear diffusers, Drilled alum pedals</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post240273"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=240263&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: cato</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=homeydog97&Number=240273 &Board=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 &part=all&vc=1">homeydog97</a> ()</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/28/04 05:31 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">I'm not much of a mechanic plus if the dealership flugs it up they will fix there mistakes. This will probably be the only mod I let them do anyway.

Thanks for the info

James

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</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post240342"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=239765&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: korz</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=cnts13&Number=240342&Boa rd=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&par t=all&vc=1">cnts13</a> (Newbie)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/28/04 07:29 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">Korz,

My mistake...

Wire #6 should have said "Rear right of intake manafold to hold down bolt on airbox"

Thanks for catching the error...

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</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post240348"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=240342&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: cnts13</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=cato&Number=240348&Board =13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part= all&vc=1">cato</a> (Gfreak)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/28/04 07:40 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">No, not to hold-down bolt on airbox. To the bolt on the front of
the strut tower! See my pics. Click on Cato and then look at
my Sedan. I have pics of all my ground points.

2003 TwBlue 5AT Sedan, sunroof,
Graphite Leather, splashguards, HKS exhaust,
14 wire Grounding kit, 350Z duct, Stillen CAI
Underbody rear diffusers, Drilled alum pedals</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post241387"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=240273&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: homeydog97</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=homeydog97&Number=241387 &Board=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 &part=all&vc=1">homeydog97</a> ()</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/29/04 09:03 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">Well I now have the Grounding Gear 10 wire kit installed. I'm not sure if resetting the ECU did this but I've noticed the car shifts alot better but the biggest difference to me is when I put it in the manual mode it shifts so much better!!! before the grounding kit was installed it seemed like most of the shifts took a second before it would shift and sometimes it seemed like it ignored shifts requests. I'm sure this will be asked but the shifts that where ignored would not have put it over the redline nor would the shift put the engine into too low of rpm range. I guess time will tell if its the ECU reset or grounding kit.

James

</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post241406"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=241387&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: homeydog97</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=cato&Number=241406&Board =13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part= all&vc=1">cato</a> (Gfreak)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/29/04 09:22 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">Yes, I notice the same. I believe the ECU/TCU ground has
done wonders for the 5AT. I also don't think the TCU
reprogram will do much for us now. I also don't think Infiniti
will upgrade the TCU software for us with the tranny
responding so well. If we want the newest TCU program,
I think we will need to remove the ECU/TCU wires, as my
service advisor asked me to describe the problems I am
having, bring it in and have the tech drive it around. If they
drove it around right now, they would say "Wow, your 5AT
shifts GREAT!, So just what is your complaint?"

2003 TwBlue 5AT Sedan, sunroof,
Graphite Leather, splashguards, HKS exhaust,
14 wire Grounding kit, 350Z duct, Stillen CAI
Underbody rear diffusers, Drilled alum pedals</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post241451"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=241406&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: cato</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=homeydog97&Number=241451 &Board=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 &part=all&vc=1">homeydog97</a> ()</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/29/04 09:59 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">So where are your extra 4 grounding wires hooked up to?

</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post241486"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=241406&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: cato</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=SixFive&Number=241486&Bo ard=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&pa rt=all&vc=1">SixFive</a> (Addict)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/29/04 10:32 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">As one of the other Beta tester for the add'l 8-10 wires (ecu and tcu have been on for 2 weeks now) I will say that the shifts are near perfect now. The MM mode is much more responsive and where my slight flick of the wrist used to be ignored at times, the tranny goes right where I tell it now without hesistation and the shifts are smoother and less clunky (downshifting). Upshifting is so crisp and exact when running her hard that I often think about how my car now DOES NOT lack the 3 series refinement, which they somehow dominate when it comes to the relationship between ones motor and tranny. The things i didnlt like about this tranny are now history and I love driving around in MM mode now.

This may be a controversial mod but those folks who are not into power mods and want to refine your auto - this is a good one. Hell even Infinititech has agreed that the idle is smoother and that to me is where driving around town and what not is much better and the throttle is much easier to dip into without the hurky jerkey that sometimes occurs.

Cheers

2003.5 DP 5AT Sedan (E-thing but Nav)
14.2 @ 97.18
Injen CAI
10 Wire Hyper-Ground
Crawford Plenum (V4)
UR Crank Pulley
Polk ex-3500 Tweeter Upgrade/Shock Sensor/H-Liner Under Hood
</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post241491"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=241451&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: homeydog97</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=cato&Number=241491&Board =13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part= all&vc=1">cato</a> (Gfreak)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/29/04 10:37 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">There are factory grounds on both fender wells, one next to
the battery, one next to the brake fluid reservoir. There is a
massive factory ground next to the base of the windsheild
washer fluid reservoir. My fourth extra wire is probably just
for looks and bragging rites. It goes from the throttle body
back to an electrical something next to the oil filler cap.
See my sedan pics, I have pics of most of the wires posted.

2003 TwBlue 5AT Sedan, sunroof,
Graphite Leather, splashguards, HKS exhaust,
14 wire Grounding kit, 350Z duct, Stillen CAI
Underbody rear diffusers, Drilled alum pedals</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post241587"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=241486&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: SixFive</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=homeydog97&Number=241587 &Board=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 &part=all&vc=1">homeydog97</a> ()</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/29/04 12:02 PM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">I had a lot of fun driving home this afternoon. The manual mode is so much fun now. I remember the first few times I tried it before the mod I wasn't impressed with the shift action. Well tonight will be the double blind study as my wife has no idea I've done anything to my car and she will be driving it tonight to one of her clubs. My wife drives the car pretty hard so hopefully she'll notice something.



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</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post242259"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=241587&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: homeydog97</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=cato&Number=242259&Board =13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part= all&vc=1">cato</a> (Gfreak)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>04/30/04 06:37 AM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">homeydog97,

How did the wifey like the shifting. I bet she noticed it right
off the bat! Let us know.

2003 TwBlue 5AT Sedan, sunroof,
Graphite Leather, splashguards, HKS exhaust,
14 wire Grounding kit, 350Z duct, Stillen CAI
Underbody rear diffusers, Drilled alum pedals</span>

</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post243423"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=242259&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: cato</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=homeydog97&Number=243423 &Board=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5 &part=all&vc=1">homeydog97</a> ()</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>05/01/04 06:07 PM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">My wife is driving the car today but she never uses the manual shift so I'm not sure if she will notice. I notice the transmission is shifting in automatic mode or manual mode so much smoother now. I'll keep everyone posted. My next thing is to see if the gas mileage improves.

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</td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="body"></td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td><a name="Post245756"></a><table width=100% class="darktable" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr class="darktable"><td width="20%" valign="top">Subject</td><td>Re: Hyper Ground Resource Thread<font class="small">[<a href="/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=13&Number=240263&page= 0&view=collapsed&sb=5&vc=1" target="_new">re: cato</a>]</font></td><td rowspan="3" valign=bottom align=right> </td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted by</td><td><a href="/forums/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=G35Five_O&Number=245756& Board=13&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5& part=all&vc=1">G35Five_O</a> (Newbie)</td></tr><tr class="darktable"><td>Posted on</td><td>05/04/04 02:50 PM</td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 class="lighttable"><p class="post">

<SPAN CLASS="post">What bolt do you use to connect to the tranny?

I looked at Ventural's picture and figured out the wires 7 +1 and the wires at the ECU. Just the 7 wire got me.

Also I could measure the lengths for 7 thru 10 but if you have them I would appreciate the help and would save me some time.

Any information would be very appreciated.

Thanks



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<SPAN CLASS="post">See pics at HyperGrounding # 7 Wire and here is a pic of the ECU & TCU connected on a 2004 G35C. Sorry, I do not have the length of the wires.

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<SPAN CLASS="post">Thank you, that really helps. Now I got to see if I can fit and work around in there.

Thanks again.

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<SPAN CLASS="post">The #7 wire is the hardest on to install. It took me a while to
figure out where/how to install it to the tranny. It finally dawned
on me that Gordon's wire was so perfectly made in length that
it hung right next to the bolt to attach to. I don't have the
length of the wires. Gordon's wire set is the best!

2003 TwBlue 5AT Sedan, sunroof,
Graphite Leather, splashguards, HKS exhaust,
14 wire Grounding kit, 350Z duct, Stillen CAI
Underbody rear diffusers, Drilled alum pedals</span>

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<SPAN CLASS="post">Hey all.. the big HGR thread has been resurrected. Thank you for your patience.

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<SPAN CLASS="post">So are we gonna have two threads going, or maybe combine
them?

2003 TwBlue 5AT Sedan, sunroof,
Graphite Leather, splashguards, HKS exhaust,
14 wire Grounding kit, 350Z duct, Stillen CAI
Underbody rear diffusers, Drilled alum pedals</span>

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so there are lots of posts in this thread and it would take me years to read all of them (although I have read a bunch already)...could anyone, gords or otherwise, posssibly link to a post that describes some good places to install the grounding kit? from the pictures, it looks like a lot of people go down sort of in front of the passenger side front strut tower, but the pictures dont point down into the engine, so i cant see where that wire is actually connected...also looks like some people run a wire behind the engine sort of like behind where the intake goes into the plenum (i am guessing this might be to the tranny? a confirmation on this would be nice...i have a 6mt so I guess I wont have to worry about this one if that is in fact where that wire is going)....i have installed a grounding kit to all the other obvious places from the pictures that have been posted and havent noticed that much of a difference....thanks for your help guys...

 

The one going to the left strut tower goes to the factory ground behind the hood sensor switch. Yes, the one behind the engine goes to the tranny, so you won't need this on your 6MT.

Hope this helps.

<font color=blue>[i]GroundingGear™ Equipped </font color=blue>

 

OK...

Some thoughts on GordGee's Grounding Gear:

I installed the "10-wire kit" this last monday night. I ran it around, and the butt dyno felt the smoother shifts.

I reset the ECU (complete process on TechoSquare) and took it out for a mild drive, then opened her up on my favorite street near a "Rail Road", after about 20min of city driving. Definitely shifted more positively...not unlike the shift kit i had on my 68 tbird. Positive, meaning, full torque head snap shift...not sloppy, like you would normally experienced under stock.

Back at the house, after my spirited test, i noticed that my G was idling at around 250 - 300 rpms in the garage - hot. I have the 350z duct, Crawford plenum, Craw-cats and stillen cat-back dual exhaust (but no TS ecu).

Placebo?!?!? ya, maybe.

So I uninstalled everything last night...did my resets again.

I'll let you know what i come up with, as I haven't had time to get out and drive.

Cheers, ted



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I happened across a 5 wire kit free this week. I feel bad posting anything negative after being given something but sorry, I gotta share my impressions fairly.

I felt absolutely no difference. Idles the same, shifts the same, absolutely no difference on the G Tech Comp HP setting or my QM times. I did notice one thing however. After putting this on, I noticed I was turning off the air and the stereo and being hyper sensitive. Reactivity effect, in other words. I had to consciously try and make my comparisons based on other times I had been paying attention, like a couple of weeks ago when putting on my pop charger. I began to fall into the placebo/reactivity effect phenomenon quickly, as I wanted to feel something after my labors.

I actually audio taped on my camcorder the start up and idle and a run through the gears. I did a before and after at the same temps and had both my neighbor and wife try to pick out a difference in which one may have started easier/faster or shifted differently. They could not, nor could I.

In MM it shifted exactly like it always has. A little rough between 1st and 2nd and 2nd and 3rd, then smooth in every other gear. This is exactly how it behaved before. Idle was identical, and I noticed that it varied in Drive and Park, as well as when the air is on, as well as when it's warming up...the variances were just like before the install.

I'm torn between whether it even looks better. No symmetry, an obvious after market component, and rather cluttered. After I do a Samco red hose install and some braided vacuum lines with a black Crawford V5 I'll evaluate the appearance again, and if I can't find a great reason to leave them on for "engine dress up" then I will give this set away and pay for shipping just as was done for me.

I must say it was easy and fun. It gave me something to do instead of just staring at my car during an evening cigar. But I'm very happy I didn't spend anything other than my time.

2004.5 Coupe/5AT/Ivory/Everything but chin spoiler/Z Tube-Popcharger/Crawford V5 Plenum on the way

 

You wont get improvements in shifting until you connect wire #7 and also helps with #10. Nothing should be expected with 5 wires except smoother start up and idle which for me was significantly better. Someone a long time ago did a db test and a vibration test with a wine glass or something and recorded it on video - not sure if its on this thread a way back or not but it was interesting at least.

How did you get a free set?? curious..also what guage and materials if you care not to mention vendor...

Most with 5 wires noted a 100-200 rpm drop at idle -

2003.5 DP 5AT Sedan (E-thing but Nav)
14.2 @ 97.18
Injen CAI
10 Wire Hyper-Ground
Crawford Plenum (V4)
UR Crank Pulley
Polk ex-3500 Tweeter Upgrade/Shock Sensor/H-Liner Under Hood
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by SixFive on 05/13/04 10:14 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

<font color=green>The science...</font color=green>

electricity flows and is impeded by distance and resistance. Solid grounds are important to any audio installation...just ask. Why is that, do you think? Why do audio specialists use large 4ga grounds?

Think of your car's electricity flow/field as your fuel/exhaust, with ground being your "exhaust". Would you stick a 1" exhaust on your G after installing headers, cats and dual pipes? The car would work wouldn't it? The car's computer would adjust for the restriction... you WOULD get from point A to point B...just not as spirited.

OK, then we need to look at noise. Why do folks run shielded cabling for critical network / telecom installs? Signal integrity! Why don't we run data cable with power cables? Again, data integrity.. .you get "noise" in the signal which PCs must recalculate in order to interpret. Grounding kits, although not shielded, provide for less resistence, providing for increased flow of your vehicle's electrical field.

<font color=blue>A simple analogy is a thick water pipe vs. a thin water pipe. A thin wire carrying a given current will have a higher current density, when compared to a thicker wire carrying the same current.

Higher current density means a higher probability of collision with stationary atoms and higher resistance. </font color=blue>

Now consider the fact that there are many more electronics in your car, using a few stock 22ga grounds. There is one constant in cars, solid grounds are vital to engine performance.

So, aren't the car industry engineers smart enough to give us enough Grounding in our cars? Yes, but just enough. Remember, copper costs (currently) about 1.17lb. Now, consider aircraft Aluminum costs around $3.00lb for fresh sheets (with prices on the rise)

So, the bean counters will naturally say, 4 or five 22ga wires are good enough! Also, use plastic on the interior that looks like aluminum... we need to keep the base price of this bad boy down!


<font color=green>Tests (independent and not Gord's kits)</font color=green>

Car Audio and Electronics test of a JDM kit on a Volvo shows 9hp gain.



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Cheers, ted


'03.5 Sedan 5a: BS/G, Prem, Aero/Body, Sport, Nav
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