Get blown or blow up?
Do you have a DE? How many miles are on it?
Where would you put your money? Would the money be enough for any type of NA build that would make decent HP?
What constitutes a "100%" tune. The car should have an optimal air/fuel ratio at WOT, Injector Pulse Bandwidth should be set properly for the larger injectors, good idle and start. Yes, it may take some time to dial that in, but is there more involved I should be aware of?
Thanks for everyone's feedback!
Where would you put your money? Would the money be enough for any type of NA build that would make decent HP?
What constitutes a "100%" tune. The car should have an optimal air/fuel ratio at WOT, Injector Pulse Bandwidth should be set properly for the larger injectors, good idle and start. Yes, it may take some time to dial that in, but is there more involved I should be aware of?
Thanks for everyone's feedback!
Yes, DE on a 5AT. 56k miles total.
Why wouldn't the computer detect the bad gas? If your car was stock your ECU would pull timing to prevent any damage to the motor once it detects any sort of knock from the bad gas. Having a piggy back system wouldn't be any different, and I'd hope a full standalone would do the same.
I had a vacuum line pop off my FMU before and I saw 17 AFRs and I was once over boosting. The car saw 13psi and then 20psi with stock injectors...that was over a year ago and I've done 3 track days since then. There are safety precautions in place, but in no way am I saying boosting the car is safe. As long as it is done properly and you don't tune for ever single HP you will probably have a motor that lasts a good while.
lets say u keep your stock 40k miles ok, you stop at a gas station get some bad gas.. EMS cant detect. Suddly u gettin some pingin and what comes next det then boom. Our HC engines can only take so much. reason why i say go build is cause i have seen alot of issues come off DEs even with my engine with the cracked gaskets inside the timing case oil leaks like crazy. My eng def wouldn't last a stock FI set up at the least. Thank god i planned this the right way.
Why wouldn't the computer detect the bad gas? If your car was stock your ECU would pull timing to prevent any damage to the motor once it detects any sort of knock from the bad gas. Having a piggy back system wouldn't be any different, and I'd hope a full standalone would do the same.
I had a vacuum line pop off my FMU before and I saw 17 AFRs and I was once over boosting. The car saw 13psi and then 20psi with stock injectors...that was over a year ago and I've done 3 track days since then. There are safety precautions in place, but in no way am I saying boosting the car is safe. As long as it is done properly and you don't tune for ever single HP you will probably have a motor that lasts a good while.
Yes, DE on a 5AT. 56k miles total.
Why wouldn't the computer detect the bad gas? If your car was stock your ECU would pull timing to prevent any damage to the motor once it detects any sort of knock from the bad gas. Having a piggy back system wouldn't be any different, and I'd hope a full standalone would do the same.
I had a vacuum line pop off my FMU before and I saw 17 AFRs and I was once over boosting. The car saw 13psi and then 20psi with stock injectors...that was over a year ago and I've done 3 track days since then. There are safety precautions in place, but in no way am I saying boosting the car is safe. As long as it is done properly and you don't tune for ever single HP you will probably have a motor that lasts a good while.
Why wouldn't the computer detect the bad gas? If your car was stock your ECU would pull timing to prevent any damage to the motor once it detects any sort of knock from the bad gas. Having a piggy back system wouldn't be any different, and I'd hope a full standalone would do the same.
I had a vacuum line pop off my FMU before and I saw 17 AFRs and I was once over boosting. The car saw 13psi and then 20psi with stock injectors...that was over a year ago and I've done 3 track days since then. There are safety precautions in place, but in no way am I saying boosting the car is safe. As long as it is done properly and you don't tune for ever single HP you will probably have a motor that lasts a good while.
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lets say u keep your stock 40k miles ok, you stop at a gas station get some bad gas.. EMS cant detect. Suddly u gettin some pingin and what comes next det then boom. Our HC engines can only take so much. reason why i say go build is cause i have seen alot of issues come off DEs even with my engine with the cracked gaskets inside the timing case oil leaks like crazy. My eng def wouldn't last a stock FI set up at the least. Thank god i planned this the right way.
I dont agree with having to have a built block when going FI at all.I have been boosted one way or another for over 60,000 miles and granted allmost 40,000 were with the lame *** stillen but the last 29,000 have been with the Greddy twins at 9psi and hardly any problems worth mentioning.
A good safe tune is were its at with the DE and the DE dosent like a large amount of torque and with that being said i think im at close to the upper limit with 396rwt.The vortech with its much lower torque should be fine.
A good safe tune is were its at with the DE and the DE dosent like a large amount of torque and with that being said i think im at close to the upper limit with 396rwt.The vortech with its much lower torque should be fine.
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I dont agree with having to have a built block when going FI at all.I have been boosted one way or another for over 60,000 miles and granted allmost 40,000 were with the lame *** stillen but the last 29,000 have been with the Greddy twins at 9psi and hardly any problems worth mentioning.
A good safe tune is were its at with the DE and the DE dosent like a large amount of torque and with that being said i think im at close to the upper limit with 396rwt.The vortech with its much lower torque should be fine.
A good safe tune is were its at with the DE and the DE dosent like a large amount of torque and with that being said i think im at close to the upper limit with 396rwt.The vortech with its much lower torque should be fine.
If the OP has plans to go for big power sometime down the line, then I agree on the built block. But for the plans that he laid out, it really is not necessary. Tuning is definitely the key here.
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I appreciate all the input. Great reference to the sticky I missed. From reviewing that, most of the Vortech guys havent posted blowing a motor.
I chose Xact dyno because Tim is familiar with UpRev software and has tuned multiple Z's G's, Titan's, etc. He set landspeed record with Hasport. He has lots of experience and was featured in Honda Tuning mag.
So I plan to get the SC sent in for rebuild, gauges, oil cooler. Get everything installed, and will post back some info in 2-3 months. Ill be sure to invest the time and dinero to ensure the tuning is 100%.
I chose Xact dyno because Tim is familiar with UpRev software and has tuned multiple Z's G's, Titan's, etc. He set landspeed record with Hasport. He has lots of experience and was featured in Honda Tuning mag.
So I plan to get the SC sent in for rebuild, gauges, oil cooler. Get everything installed, and will post back some info in 2-3 months. Ill be sure to invest the time and dinero to ensure the tuning is 100%.
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