anyone regret going vortech
Originally Posted by Profile4
i was simply stating that the headaches associated with troubleshooting a turbo are inherently greater than supercharger. many installers i've talked to will agree. There are many more components of a turbo system as compared to s/c, which means more variables to weed out of the problem. And I was stating this in regards to those who will be doing the work themselves. If you have the luxury of paying someone else to do the dirty work and have a spare car to use (and lets not forget the money), then by all means go turbo. For folks that live in the snowy areas that will use this as a daily driver, just keep in mind that the turbo and manifolds will get glowing red hott, so just remember what happens when you mix that with cold weather (cracks in teh manifolds, downpipes, shortened turbo life). something that is belt driven does not generate as much heat. in terms of maintenance, you are subjecting the oil to greater temps than usual, which means it will denature faster. do as u please with your maintenance schedule, but running on cooked oil can equal disaster for everything that it runs thru. Leaks have been the no.1 complaint that i have heard of. a small leak whether it is from one of the 2 manifolds, the gaskets between the block and manifolds, the gasket between the turbo and manifolds, the turbo and downpipes, the downpipes and exhaust and associated gaskets, will cause a major impairment in gas flow, which translates to turbulent flow, which is in turn inefficient, and therefore your turbo's efficiency has gone down. and lets not forget all those great TIG/MIG welds that are not impervious to breakage, especially on the lightweight manifolds they use. try replacing all those gaskets in the piping. lets not forget that the turbo is connected to the exhaust and motor, so all that torqueing will place additional strain on welds and joints where gaskets sit. all i'm sayin is that you are more likely to run into a multitude of problems, which may equal more headaches.
I'm not saying that you are wrong, Gurgen, I'm just stating my point of view based on my own and other's experiences. i agree with you gurgen, please do research before spending all that money (and be prepared to spend way more than you project). for sure, if all variables were constant, i was born with a silver spoon in my mouth, and it was 80 degrees and sunny all year round, i'd be runnin a fully built turbocharged beast! (the mercedes benz twin turbo that is =) ).
I'm not saying that you are wrong, Gurgen, I'm just stating my point of view based on my own and other's experiences. i agree with you gurgen, please do research before spending all that money (and be prepared to spend way more than you project). for sure, if all variables were constant, i was born with a silver spoon in my mouth, and it was 80 degrees and sunny all year round, i'd be runnin a fully built turbocharged beast! (the mercedes benz twin turbo that is =) ).
There are many more components of a turbo system as compared to s/c, which means more variables to weed out of the problem.
For folks that live in the snowy areas that will use this as a daily driver, just keep in mind that the turbo and manifolds will get glowing red hott, so just remember what happens when you mix that with cold weather (cracks in teh manifolds, downpipes, shortened turbo life).
a small leak whether it is from one of the 2 manifolds, the gaskets between the block and manifolds, the gasket between the turbo and manifolds, the turbo and downpipes, the downpipes and exhaust and associated gaskets, will cause a major impairment in gas flow, which translates to turbulent flow, which is in turn inefficient, and therefore your turbo's efficiency has gone down.
and lets not forget all those great TIG/MIG welds that are not impervious to breakage, especially on the lightweight manifolds they use.
Guys.... pleeeaase, for the sake of objectivity, let's look at each of the cases objectively. 95% (yes, I am not exaggerating), do NOT know what hte hell they are talkign about, and I have talked to MANY MANY of them over the last couple of years. There are only 2-3 people whose opinion I would ever give any weight. So, please take what they say with a HUGE grain of salt, to say the least.
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ok, so i have almost no validity in what i'm saying. i don't kno what i'm talking about. just like when everyone was doing backflips over their fully built motors and how they were gonna generate so much power, i heeded the warning that a fully built motor is not an invincible one, opposite to what they may have believed, and poof "Engine Broke!" i'm sure some of you can associate with that. i'm just throwing out realistic possibilities here, not absolutes. just because you have not run into these issues yet, doesn't mean nobody ever will. likewise, just because people i know have run into these issues doesn't mean everybody will.
I'd also like to add that Gurgen has been and continues to be a pioneer in the world of VQ's and I thank you for all of your hard work, insight, and perseverance (and money, lol) and that i'm not saying you are wrong and i'm right, and vice versa. as i've said before and will say again, good luck with your setup and i sincerely hope that you and all other G's do not ever have to encounter any of the problems that i've encountered, cheers!
I'd also like to add that Gurgen has been and continues to be a pioneer in the world of VQ's and I thank you for all of your hard work, insight, and perseverance (and money, lol) and that i'm not saying you are wrong and i'm right, and vice versa. as i've said before and will say again, good luck with your setup and i sincerely hope that you and all other G's do not ever have to encounter any of the problems that i've encountered, cheers!
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and if there was a question about my validity...
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/toc/0205scc_toc/
475 to the wheels on low boost, 500+ on high boost. if u can squint good enough at the article, we also built an all motor civic that ran low 12's, prelude vtec motor, first in the tristate area to do the swap.
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/toc/0205scc_toc/
475 to the wheels on low boost, 500+ on high boost. if u can squint good enough at the article, we also built an all motor civic that ran low 12's, prelude vtec motor, first in the tristate area to do the swap.
Originally Posted by Profile4
ok, so i have almost no validity in what i'm saying. i don't kno what i'm talking about. just like when everyone was doing backflips over their fully built motors and how they were gonna generate so much power, i heeded the warning that a fully built motor is not an invincible one, opposite to what they may have believed, and poof "Engine Broke!" i'm sure some of you can associate with that. i'm just throwing out realistic possibilities here, not absolutes. just because you have not run into these issues yet, doesn't mean nobody ever will. likewise, just because people i know have run into these issues doesn't mean everybody will.
I'd also like to add that Gurgen has been and continues to be a pioneer in the world of VQ's and I thank you for all of your hard work, insight, and perseverance (and money, lol) and that i'm not saying you are wrong and i'm right, and vice versa. as i've said before and will say again, good luck with your setup and i sincerely hope that you and all other G's do not ever have to encounter any of the problems that i've encountered, cheers!
I'd also like to add that Gurgen has been and continues to be a pioneer in the world of VQ's and I thank you for all of your hard work, insight, and perseverance (and money, lol) and that i'm not saying you are wrong and i'm right, and vice versa. as i've said before and will say again, good luck with your setup and i sincerely hope that you and all other G's do not ever have to encounter any of the problems that i've encountered, cheers!
I honestly didn't mean to pick at waht you were saying... you did and always have many valid points. I just wanted to clear the issue of turbochargers and superchargers.. this is not personal, pelase do not take it this way. It's only a discussion, a lively one... and, i might add, it's only this type of discussion that distills the truth out of this melting pot that is this (or any other) forum.
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Originally Posted by Gmaster
make sure you people realize weak connecting rods when pushing over high 300s at the wheels 
. with a stock block i'd never get more than 350whp SAE to be safe (ASSuming good tuning).
. with a stock block i'd never get more than 350whp SAE to be safe (ASSuming good tuning).
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Yeah it's kinda luck of the draw. I put the TT's on my car at 25k and was fine for awhile at 8psi. I turned it up to 10psi, 11.2:1 and no knock(I have the J&S) and snap! I'm not a real big fan of dynos because there is only one load based close to me and I kind of like street tuning. I have the log from when my engine blew(I use a shareware program for the emanage that lets me log my WBo2 in the TPS in and then log it). Everything was fine the rod just snapped. The spark plug looked fine as well. I was amazed to see how small our stock rods are. Mine also popped at 3200rpms. The torque of the TT's just hammers on these stock rods. I have a plan for the cooling issues on our engines. A koyo radiator and an inline water pump. I think the passages are way too small/flow rating of the stock pump for the extra heat. I plan on having 8psi as my low boost and 13 or 14 as the high. It also helps that I have 5 gallon drums of VP high octane MR8 and 100 octane right around the corner from my house. I just hope the MR8 doesn't screw up all the o2 sensors. 
Originally Posted by Gman2004
I guess those pushing over 400whp on stock blocks with out problems just have guardian angels. There have been guys that bend or break things below 350whp. It is all about the tune and the safety items that you have on your kit. Lately more and more guys have been running 420-450whp on stock blocks. Some are going on almost a year and over 10K miles.
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Originally Posted by MadMike
FORGIVE ME FOR SKIPPING OVER EVERY POST, BUT YOU ALL KNOW THAT YOUR KNOWLEDGE AINT CHIT. LET ME CUT RIGHT TO THE CHEESE.....FORCED INDUCTION.........MY **** IN YOUR MOMMAS kUNT. ANY QUESTIONS????????
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Originally Posted by djniknala
Yeah it's kinda luck of the draw. I put the TT's on my car at 25k and was fine for awhile at 8psi. I turned it up to 10psi, 11.2:1 and no knock(I have the J&S) and snap! I'm not a real big fan of dynos because there is only one load based close to me and I kind of like street tuning. I have the log from when my engine blew(I use a shareware program for the emanage that lets me log my WBo2 in the TPS in and then log it). Everything was fine the rod just snapped. The spark plug looked fine as well. I was amazed to see how small our stock rods are. Mine also popped at 3200rpms. The torque of the TT's just hammers on these stock rods. I have a plan for the cooling issues on our engines. A koyo radiator and an inline water pump. I think the passages are way too small/flow rating of the stock pump for the extra heat. I plan on having 8psi as my low boost and 13 or 14 as the high. It also helps that I have 5 gallon drums of VP high octane MR8 and 100 octane right around the corner from my house. I just hope the MR8 doesn't screw up all the o2 sensors.
Sorry to hear that. Are you saying you snapped a rod on your built motor? Personally I wasn't feeling your engine management set up (J&S for timing and eManage for fuel). Some people have gotten the J&S to work on the vq35, but even more have had problems getting to it work, especially inconjunction with the eManage. Honlestly, I don't care for the eManage either, which is why I have decided to go with the HKS Vpro full standalone. I wanna keep my ECU away from my motor, that thing has a mind of its own.
EDIT: And for extra safety I got the aquamist 1s system.
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No, I busted a stock rod. I am going to use my current setup till I get the motor broken in on low boost. After that it will either be the Emanage Ultimate or the HKS Vpro. I agree that the ecu has a mind of it's own.
Originally Posted by Gman2004
Sorry to hear that. Are you saying you snapped a rod on your built motor? Personally I wasn't feeling your engine management set up (J&S for timing and eManage for fuel). Some people have gotten the J&S to work on the vq35, but even more have had problems getting to it work, especially inconjunction with the eManage. Honlestly, I don't care for the eManage either, which is why I have decided to go with the HKS Vpro full standalone. I wanna keep my ECU away from my motor, that thing has a mind of its own.
EDIT: And for extra safety I got the aquamist 1s system.
EDIT: And for extra safety I got the aquamist 1s system.