I hate Vtec!!
#32
VTEC is pretty awesome. I've got the Toyota version of it in my other car (VVTL-i). Normally, when the engine would be dead over 6k RPM, the second cam kicks in and it's like you've got a new engine until redline. It's a different driving experience. The G is all torque all the time, while you have to keep RPM's up for VTEC, but it's also fun.
My friend has a type-r integra, I was riding with him today, told him it was his job to try and impress me with VTEC. He tried a lot the whole ride....needless to say, I wasn't impressed at all. He still says he'll smoke me through 4th...ROFL
#33
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Im an ex-honda guy myself (had a ej2 civic that ran high 12s), and yes, the majority of honda guys are tards. Cant count the number of ******** who would mod their ECU's just to lower their vtec engagement point because it sounded cool.
#35
A small engine with VTEC/VVTL-i isn't as exciting as a big powerful torquey engine, but the engines are much smaller and lighter and make for more nimbe cars. Throw in a turbo or supercharger, which allows the cam crossover at low rpm, and you have a very powerful, light engine, and there's something to be said for that. Sometimes I love the little high strung 4-cyl in my Elise, especially the sound at 8k rpm, but sometimes I'd like to have the G's torque.
#39
VVT-i and VTEC and 2 totally different things. VVT-i actually varies the timing on the cam. VTEC just has a different lobe for high RPM's which ads a little more lift and duration. VTEC was never designed for power but for emission control....added "power" was a side effect.
WTF are you talking about VTEC also varies the timing....
VTEC = Variable Valve Timeing and Lift Electronic Control.... errr
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Honda's VTEC system is a simple method of endowing the engine with multiple camshaft profiles optimized for low and high RPM operations. Instead of one cam lobe actuating each valve, there are two: one optimized for low-RPM stability & fuel efficiency; the other designed to maximize high-RPM power output.
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Don't you wish our G was this Efficient? When in low RPM it's all about fuel efficiency, then when you hit pass 5k it bones out... Nice.
The one for Emission is actually VTEC-E.
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Honda's next version of VTEC, VTEC-E, was used in a slightly different way; instead of optimising performance at high RPM, it was used to increase efficiency at low RPM. At low RPM, one of the two intake valves is only allowed to open a very small amount, increasing the fuel/air atomization in the cylinder and thus allowing a leaner mixture to be used. As the engine's speed increases, both valves are needed to supply sufficient mixture. A sliding pin, which is pressured by oil, as in the regular VTEC, is used to connect both valves together and allows the full opening of the second valve.
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VTEC vs C-VTC (Type R vs G35) Funny how our G couldn't pass the Type R. Even though the weaker car did take off a bit early.
Last edited by jibberjabbers; 06-05-2009 at 02:08 PM.
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#41
Look, VTEC has its place, just like big torque engines do. People who think that having VTEC makes their car fast are deluded, it just gives the engine a much better torque curve across a very wide RPM range. Hot cams suck at low RPM, low-RPM cams lose torque at high RPM, so put in both!
This discussion will be moot in a few years anyway, since we'll all be driving engines with hydraulic or electric lifters that have a continuously adaptable timing and lift, but until then, I'll enjoy my car screaming like crazy
#42
Anyways, Honda does have VTEC-I
i-VTEC (intelligent-VTEC)[4] introduced continuously variable camshaft phasing on the intake cam of DOHC VTEC engines. The technology first appeared on Honda's K-series four cylinder engine family in 2001 (2002 in the U.S.). In the United States, Honda first debut the technology on the 2002 Honda Civic Si EP3 with the economy version.
Valve lift and duration are still limited to distinct low- and high-RPM profiles, but the intake camshaft is now capable of advancing between 25 and 50 degrees (depending upon engine configuration) during operation. Phase changes are implemented by a computer controlled, oil driven adjustable cam gear. Phasing is determined by a combination of engine load and rpm, ranging from fully retarded at idle to somewhat intelligent at full throttle and low rpm. The effect is further optimization of torque output, especially at low and midrange RPM.
Last edited by jibberjabbers; 06-05-2009 at 02:11 PM.
#43
I'm pretty sure Honda has VTEC on 100% of their cars..and it's purpose is fuel economy/emission. The VTEC included on a Civic/Accord does not add any power in upper RPMs. It merely serves to allow the engine to run more lean then it usually would at lower RPMs(economy cams). After 5500-6500 it shuts OFF vtec... The VTEC that comes with Civic SI/RSX is the performance edition that has continuously variable intake cam timing.
I think.
I think.
#44
#45
I'm pretty sure Honda has VTEC on 100% of their cars..and it's purpose is fuel economy/emission. The VTEC included on a Civic/Accord does not add any power in upper RPMs. It merely serves to allow the engine to run more lean then it usually would at lower RPMs(economy cams). After 5500-6500 it shuts OFF vtec... The VTEC that comes with Civic SI/RSX is the performance edition that has continuously variable intake cam timing.
I think.
I think.
The one on the NSX, RSX Type S, TL etc etc. Are for performance.