how much slower is a auto vs a 6spd g35?
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01-14-2004 | 01:30 AM
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Re: how much slower is a auto vs a 6spd g35?
The worst part about comparing 1/4 mile times is that atmospheric conditions completely change how any given car will run. Here in AZ the conditions are usually pretty good in the winter time and it's pretty low in elevation so that really helps too. In the winter you can see some really fast times. However, with the heat in the summer time cars run REALLY slow in comparison to the magazines and other places (like Florida, California, etc.. Also, think of Denver, where the elevation will really slow a car down.... Man that'd suck :-P
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01-14-2004 | 11:47 AM
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Re: how much slower is a auto vs a 6spd g35?
Yep.. it's a lockup torque converter... I'm not sure but I heard that it becomes a lockup TC in MM mode and it works like a normal TC in auto mode, which is the reason why the shifts are smother in auto mode, but the acceleration is better in MM mode... Can anyone confirm this?
I thought that is was just because the ECU does something different..
I swear however that when you switch modes the tranny sounds differnt. Just listen to it the next time you are in your garage or at a drive through where you can here the sound of your car echo from the walls. You don't have to be moving.
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I thought that is was just because the ECU does something different..
I swear however that when you switch modes the tranny sounds differnt. Just listen to it the next time you are in your garage or at a drive through where you can here the sound of your car echo from the walls. You don't have to be moving.
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01-14-2004 | 12:35 PM
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Re: how much slower is a auto vs a 6spd g35?
Ok guys i have an auto so here goes. There is no way an auto can beat a stick. I've road raced for a very long time and not one of my race cars were ever a auto. Lets not only look at 0-60 or 1/4 mile times but also look at it from a road racers point of veiw. You have much better control with a stick no doubt, no debate, nothing is lost through the heavy tourqe converter and all the oil that this big thing holds. So if you want to race, really race, these cars were really made for the twisties, then get the stick. If you want ease and confort, then get the auto. A lousy 1/4 to 1/2 second between the two, I'll take the auto. If I feel a little racy I just put it MMode and walla, best of both worlds. While the sticks are burning there clutches in traffic, or getting there cluthes replaced, I'm just listening to tunes. No regrerts here.
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01-14-2004 | 01:09 PM
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If it helps, I "raced" an auto G35C last night. It was late last night and I made a right turn onto my street and I saw a car make the turn also. My street is loooooong and straight and the car was like 200 feet away (decently far) but quickly caught up to me and was right on my ***. Then I saw the driver go to the left side of the road (25 zone, one lane for each direction) and I guess we both punched it. I wish I knew he was gonna try to pass me, I would have downshifted to 2. Anyways, we both punched it and literally, we were neck and neck throughout my third gear until I backed off (I didn't wanna get the guy into an accident, he was on the left side of the road, right next to me) and he pulled over and we stopped for a moment to greet each other or whatever. We both had black G35C's, heh.
Oh yeah, so my point is, from what I saw, there was NO difference in acceleration between auto and manual, but I'm a very happy driver in my 6MT G and I'm sure the other dude is a very happy driver in his 5AT G.
hogger, you replace the clutch every 50,000 to 150,000 miles, depending on how you drive. And if you drive stick shift, you know how to drive in traffic without burning the clutch. Please don't make statements like that if you don't really know what you're talking about.
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Oh yeah, so my point is, from what I saw, there was NO difference in acceleration between auto and manual, but I'm a very happy driver in my 6MT G and I'm sure the other dude is a very happy driver in his 5AT G.
hogger, you replace the clutch every 50,000 to 150,000 miles, depending on how you drive. And if you drive stick shift, you know how to drive in traffic without burning the clutch. Please don't make statements like that if you don't really know what you're talking about.
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03 G35C 6MT<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by MrElussive on 01/14/04 10:16 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
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01-14-2004 | 03:46 PM
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Re: how much slower is a auto vs a 6spd g35?
MrElussive, all I was stating is from what I heard on this forum about the auto being just a hair slower then the sticks. I thought we were all entitled to our opinions. If this helps I have gotten over 200,000 on my clutch towing my racing cars and jet skis and even then when I replaced it was just through preventive maint.
And how many National licenses have you held? And how many times have driven a open wheel open cockpit race car 180mph around a road course. Last time I checked every race car had a stick, or seqential gearbox meaning they all had clutches. I'm probably the easiest of all on cluthes, I just choose not to drive them on the streets anymore. Being that the stick and auto are very close in performance I'd rather have convience of the auto. If your going to race do it on the track that's what it's there for. If you only get 50,000-150,00 miles on a clutch then obviously your doing something wrong. I guess you think your just a great driver voicing you opinion on a seasoned racer and all the more power to you. This is why this country is great we all have our own opinions. I promise you this, VDC's swithched off. If I were driving a stick against an auto around a road course no way the auto is going to turn faster lap times. In my OPINION the stick is faster even if it's miniscule.
And how many National licenses have you held? And how many times have driven a open wheel open cockpit race car 180mph around a road course. Last time I checked every race car had a stick, or seqential gearbox meaning they all had clutches. I'm probably the easiest of all on cluthes, I just choose not to drive them on the streets anymore. Being that the stick and auto are very close in performance I'd rather have convience of the auto. If your going to race do it on the track that's what it's there for. If you only get 50,000-150,00 miles on a clutch then obviously your doing something wrong. I guess you think your just a great driver voicing you opinion on a seasoned racer and all the more power to you. This is why this country is great we all have our own opinions. I promise you this, VDC's swithched off. If I were driving a stick against an auto around a road course no way the auto is going to turn faster lap times. In my OPINION the stick is faster even if it's miniscule.
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01-14-2004 | 04:41 PM
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hogger, I agree that stick shift is a little bit faster than the auto and the difference is very marginal. That was basically my point...that if you want the convenience of an auto on this car, then you shouldn't let its performance difference affect your decision, because frankly...there barely is none.
But in your reply, you're just contradicting yourself. First you say, "while manual drivers are sitting in traffic grinding their clutches, and getting their clutches replaced, I'm listening to my tunes" or something along those lines, and then you reply and say, "Oh my clutch was replaced at 200,000 miles and it still wasn't done yet." Exactly what's your point?? Clutch will last for as long as you treat it, but I only have my G35C for 3 years (36,000 miles of driving), so I don't even have to worry about the clutch. I honestly don't mind driving stick shift in traffic, and fortunately most of my time is not spent there. This is not my first stick shift car at all and I just absolutely love rowing my own gears and doing the clutch-work, so getting stick shift was a no-brainer for me.
Why are you lecturing me on stick shift all the way from your auto G??? kthxbye.
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G35C 6MT<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by MrElussive on 01/14/04 01:48 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
But in your reply, you're just contradicting yourself. First you say, "while manual drivers are sitting in traffic grinding their clutches, and getting their clutches replaced, I'm listening to my tunes" or something along those lines, and then you reply and say, "Oh my clutch was replaced at 200,000 miles and it still wasn't done yet." Exactly what's your point?? Clutch will last for as long as you treat it, but I only have my G35C for 3 years (36,000 miles of driving), so I don't even have to worry about the clutch. I honestly don't mind driving stick shift in traffic, and fortunately most of my time is not spent there. This is not my first stick shift car at all and I just absolutely love rowing my own gears and doing the clutch-work, so getting stick shift was a no-brainer for me.
Why are you lecturing me on stick shift all the way from your auto G??? kthxbye.
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01-14-2004 | 10:00 PM
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Re: how much slower is a auto vs a 6spd g35?
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I wish I knew he was gonna try to pass me, I would have downshifted to 2. Anyways, we both punched it and literally, we were neck and neck throughout my third gear until I backed off
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So his AT that was shifting gears as needed was dead even with a 6MT that was left in third gear...
...your point is...?
I wish I knew he was gonna try to pass me, I would have downshifted to 2. Anyways, we both punched it and literally, we were neck and neck throughout my third gear until I backed off
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So his AT that was shifting gears as needed was dead even with a 6MT that was left in third gear...
...your point is...?
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01-14-2004 | 11:18 PM
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Re: how much slower is a auto vs a 6spd g35?
i'm not quite sure what do u wanted to say...
i dunno know how did you interpret his racing story but i understood as both AT and MT started in 3rd gear... i'm pretty sure by MrEllusive wanted downshift to 2nd gear, the starting speed was around 45ish where need quick fast decision to make to go to 2nd or stay in 3rd since 2nd ends at 58(i think)and i know and so do everyone else our 1st and 2nd going really fast... if AT downshifted to 2nd and Mr.Ellusive was in 3rd at same speed(like i said i'm guessing around 45ish) then AT will pull on him(not much but little bit) due to stronger gear... but he never mentioned AT was pull on him.. and both MT and AT 3rd goes till 95-98ish so more than good enough to determine who wins.. but it was neck to neck... so i think his point was MT and AT don't have enough difference to affect your tranny choice...
or did i misunderstood somewhere?
MrEllusive, i haven't seen you for awhile in g35driver.com... went somewhere?
i dunno know how did you interpret his racing story but i understood as both AT and MT started in 3rd gear... i'm pretty sure by MrEllusive wanted downshift to 2nd gear, the starting speed was around 45ish where need quick fast decision to make to go to 2nd or stay in 3rd since 2nd ends at 58(i think)and i know and so do everyone else our 1st and 2nd going really fast... if AT downshifted to 2nd and Mr.Ellusive was in 3rd at same speed(like i said i'm guessing around 45ish) then AT will pull on him(not much but little bit) due to stronger gear... but he never mentioned AT was pull on him.. and both MT and AT 3rd goes till 95-98ish so more than good enough to determine who wins.. but it was neck to neck... so i think his point was MT and AT don't have enough difference to affect your tranny choice...
or did i misunderstood somewhere?
MrEllusive, i haven't seen you for awhile in g35driver.com... went somewhere?
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01-14-2004 | 11:55 PM
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Re: how much slower is a auto vs a 6spd g35?
My G35 is my very first manual car. I barely learned how to drive stick about 2 weeks before I bought my G. All I can say is im so glad I got a manual. It's so much funner to drive having complete control of the shifting. It does get frustrating in traffic since Im still trying to master stick shift, but ill never go back to automatic again.
Way I looked at it was, hey this is a sports car not a minivan. I asked myself, would I buy an automatic Porshe? NOPE
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Way I looked at it was, hey this is a sports car not a minivan. I asked myself, would I buy an automatic Porshe? NOPE
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01-15-2004 | 12:47 AM
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Re: how much slower is a auto vs a 6spd g35?
how can an automatic have the same performance as a 6mt?!? Boggles my mind...and actually an automatic shifts slower than a good person on a manual. no Im not making this up. and why do people say the autoshifts are faster than the computer shifts?! Unless the computer has lame wot shift points there I dont see how a person can eyeball a shift better than a computer preset. am I being mean today? >=D an automatic IS NOT on par with an manual if we take the driver out of the equation dood (not counting smg). period! a slush box is a slush box! ack. ugh.
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Re: how much slower is a auto vs a 6spd g35?
Didn't we just have a recent "discussion" in this forum about whether or not a 3500 lb car is really a "sports car?"
As for autoshifts vs computer shifts, a number of people who have taken their car to the 1/4 mile track report better times with MM mode. I'm not going to try and explain why that's so, but it's what people have experienced. I'll try and get my car to a 1/4 mile strip on the 24th.
As for autoshifts vs computer shifts, a number of people who have taken their car to the 1/4 mile track report better times with MM mode. I'm not going to try and explain why that's so, but it's what people have experienced. I'll try and get my car to a 1/4 mile strip on the 24th.
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01-15-2004 | 03:02 AM
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uheenada, I have been checking out the forums, but I decided to take a short "post break" because I found myself arguing with other members too much. I hope now that I am back, I will help others out a lot more, rather than argue. Anyways, you understood my point exactly. =)
I was going 30mph on my street (a 25 zone) and I was in 3rd at like 2,100rpm. This guy comes up from behind and tries to pass me all of a sudden and I instantly just punch it. 3rd gear has a maximum speed of 85mph for the manual transmission, so I punch it and hold it there, but we are both accelerating. So I'm guessing that he accelerated to try to pass me and then he floored it as soon as he realized I punched it. My only question is whether his transmission downshifted to 2nd or not. I know that if I went to 2nd, I would have out-accelerated him, but maybe his transmission stayed in 3rd and just accelerated from there, and if his tranny downshifted to 2 it just would have been similar acceleration.
Basically, a 6MT Coupe punched it from 30mph and a 5AT coupe punched it from 30mph and we were dead even all the way to like 70mph when I backed off. I know there are a few variables there with the gears, but my overall point is that we were just absolutely DEAD even all the way until I backed off (his right headlight stayed in the same exact spot in my side-view mirror the ENTIRE time, didn't move at all!).
So yeah, if you wanna get a 5AT or have one already, but you are not sure about the acceleration loss...as far as what I've seen, there really just is no difference between 5AT and 6MT.
E_K, the M3 weighs 3,479lbs and it's a sports car. And I whip my G35C super hard (acceleration and through the turns), and I don't even question its sporty nature for a heartbeat...so yes, it is a sports car to me. =))
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03 G35C 6MT<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by MrElussive on 01/15/04 12:04 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
I was going 30mph on my street (a 25 zone) and I was in 3rd at like 2,100rpm. This guy comes up from behind and tries to pass me all of a sudden and I instantly just punch it. 3rd gear has a maximum speed of 85mph for the manual transmission, so I punch it and hold it there, but we are both accelerating. So I'm guessing that he accelerated to try to pass me and then he floored it as soon as he realized I punched it. My only question is whether his transmission downshifted to 2nd or not. I know that if I went to 2nd, I would have out-accelerated him, but maybe his transmission stayed in 3rd and just accelerated from there, and if his tranny downshifted to 2 it just would have been similar acceleration.
Basically, a 6MT Coupe punched it from 30mph and a 5AT coupe punched it from 30mph and we were dead even all the way to like 70mph when I backed off. I know there are a few variables there with the gears, but my overall point is that we were just absolutely DEAD even all the way until I backed off (his right headlight stayed in the same exact spot in my side-view mirror the ENTIRE time, didn't move at all!).
So yeah, if you wanna get a 5AT or have one already, but you are not sure about the acceleration loss...as far as what I've seen, there really just is no difference between 5AT and 6MT.
E_K, the M3 weighs 3,479lbs and it's a sports car. And I whip my G35C super hard (acceleration and through the turns), and I don't even question its sporty nature for a heartbeat...so yes, it is a sports car to me. =))
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03 G35C 6MT<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by MrElussive on 01/15/04 12:04 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
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01-15-2004 | 11:33 AM
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Re: how much slower is a auto vs a 6spd g35?
"an automatic shifts slower than a good person on a manual.""
"I dont see how a person can eyeball a shift better than a computer preset"
Is that not a contradiction... anyway It won't be solved here on this board... The proof is on the track. But the bottom line is: does it really matter? I mean c'mon are we really trying to convince everyone to go out and buy an auto or manual if they have one or the other?
I guess what people, who don't think that the auto has very similar performance to the manual, are saying is that EVERYONE who has ever tested a G35 manual has been a poor driver. None-the-less, the bottom line is that it doesn't matter. Will AT drivers drive around in their cars hiding their faces because their car is an AT?
Will AT drivers, when getting out of their cars at parking lots immediately start offering excuses, to everyone who says "nice car", - excuses about why they chose the AT over the MT?
Or maybe we should all just get tee shirts with "AT Driver" on it and join a support group and all introduce ourselves in weekly meetings with the phrase:
Hi my name is ... and I drive an Automatic...
When at the stop light perhaps old ladies while crossing the street will look at the calipers on the AT, scream, and faint. When the paramedics arrive they will just shake their heads and say: Should have got the 6MT...
Or perhaps when someone in a 1960 Volkswagen Beetle with a manual transmission pulls up beside me in the parking lot, he'll look inside and say: "Man that car sux"
Am I becoming ridiculous yet.. perhaps I was ridiculous way before I even realized it.. But not quite as ridiculous as people who truly believe that his or her strong opinion/ denunciation of Auto vs. Stick will change the way people look at any of the two choices.
Both are excellent choices, it just depends on what you want.
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"I dont see how a person can eyeball a shift better than a computer preset"
Is that not a contradiction... anyway It won't be solved here on this board... The proof is on the track. But the bottom line is: does it really matter? I mean c'mon are we really trying to convince everyone to go out and buy an auto or manual if they have one or the other?
I guess what people, who don't think that the auto has very similar performance to the manual, are saying is that EVERYONE who has ever tested a G35 manual has been a poor driver. None-the-less, the bottom line is that it doesn't matter. Will AT drivers drive around in their cars hiding their faces because their car is an AT?
Will AT drivers, when getting out of their cars at parking lots immediately start offering excuses, to everyone who says "nice car", - excuses about why they chose the AT over the MT?
Or maybe we should all just get tee shirts with "AT Driver" on it and join a support group and all introduce ourselves in weekly meetings with the phrase:
Hi my name is ... and I drive an Automatic...
When at the stop light perhaps old ladies while crossing the street will look at the calipers on the AT, scream, and faint. When the paramedics arrive they will just shake their heads and say: Should have got the 6MT...
Or perhaps when someone in a 1960 Volkswagen Beetle with a manual transmission pulls up beside me in the parking lot, he'll look inside and say: "Man that car sux"
Am I becoming ridiculous yet.. perhaps I was ridiculous way before I even realized it.. But not quite as ridiculous as people who truly believe that his or her strong opinion/ denunciation of Auto vs. Stick will change the way people look at any of the two choices.
Both are excellent choices, it just depends on what you want.
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01-15-2004 | 03:52 PM
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Re: how much slower is a auto vs a 6spd g35?
"I dont see how a person can eyeball a shift better than a computer preset"
actually what I meant by that was letting the computer shift instead of "shifting" in the automatic. I still dont see why its faster. anyhow you should be happy with your choice. Heres some informative article about the manual and auto. autos will produce more torque low end but will sap horsepower in high end(racing). cant we all get along?! jk.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/transmission.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/automa...ansmission.htm
actually what I meant by that was letting the computer shift instead of "shifting" in the automatic. I still dont see why its faster. anyhow you should be happy with your choice. Heres some informative article about the manual and auto. autos will produce more torque low end but will sap horsepower in high end(racing). cant we all get along?! jk.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/transmission.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/automa...ansmission.htm