I question for you auto guys.. Im a big in dragracing now and I noticed that the autos where kinda running almost the same or a lil slower. Now my question is when the car shifts into second on an auto do you guys spin the tires? Case all I know is when I shift into second my rear is spining so bad that I actually sway from side to side..

So I believe if the auto doesnt spin the tires while going into second then new tires would be a great advantage over the auto.. The 6mt with new tires or slicks can now launch much higher in RPMS and also not spin while shifting into 2nd and 3rd while the auto will only get a higher lauch RMP from the tires. I believe with new tires I should be running 13.7 - 13.9 consitantly. When I say new tires I dont mean slicks.

So what im saying is that a 6mt might get .3 - .5 off the quarter while the Auto might get .3 - .1... Witch will show how much faster the 6MT is then the auto but even still it isnt very much!!!

If I am wrong on this as im no pro please correct me and give reasons so maybe I can understand better. I will be getting the tires this spring so I will let everyone know how much they realy helped..

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hahaha good point... and i like that shirt idea
anyway most people think MT is a lot faster than AT and it's true on many cars "but" there are some exceptions...exceptions are cars with high hp and tq(tq is the main key).. AT works best with lots of tq... MT is superior "when" it's fwd(not always but fwd make more MT faster), high hp w/ low tq(all hondas and acuras not to bash both companies but those are the companies pop out my mind as soon as i think good hp with no tq)... such as AT accord v6 will run somewhere 14.9-15.2 while 6spd accord runs aound 14.4.. amething with new TL.. MT TL can do 14.4 while AT will do around high 14s... you see that's called power of MT(exactly as i said fwd, high hp w/ low tq, and MT's better gearing)... and i just can't imagine s2k with AT...
3 big advantages of MT over AT are, better gearing, lighter, and can launch better/shift faster... let's see AT g is acutally lighter by few lbs, for gearing first 3 gears are really close to each other(like .15 or so almost unnoticable) and finally MT can luanch better is correct part and where all the difference can be made(only part MT can pull is at the luanch if you screw up then your done)... but remember, AT g has more tq down low than MT thanks to TC therfore, so much easier to luanch... now look aggorant MT drivers(i know there are really small numbers), look at the advantages of MT over AT... how many advantages you see? all i see is better get good luanch or you'll get whip by AT(or slush box which typical aggrogant people refers AT)... my point? MT is faster but by few feet(better thank to droppin clutch) not like accord MT can do over AT accord... ohh yeah one more thing, my best part, i don't get any frustration when i lost to 6sp why? i am suppose to lose but if 6spd driver lost to 5AT, that's ashamed... there's no excuse you can make(you said AT is sooo slow)... especially if you lost at the track...

* this reply will be my final post relate to transmission topic... i'm soo sick and tired of this thing and i have no more energy left to fight back...* we should make a feature that automatically search before anybody posts it... and if search engine finds something relates to that topic then they can't post it... anybody can do this??

 

I agree with your last paragraph. Let's make a sticky post that stays at the top of the coupe forum page. That way any time a newbie comes by, they can just add to the thread instead of starting a new one. Let's call it "6MT vs 5AT, the mother of all threads." I'd like to see it get bigger than that thread about the guy getting screwed by a dealership over a Evo 8 on ebay.

 

Even if the automatic tranny car was faster than a manual tranny car, I'd still prefer the manual tranny.

There's just something about the control you have when driving a manual tranny that can't be beat, regardless of speed.

I enjoy the heck out of shifting on my own.

 

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I was going 30mph on my street (a 25 zone) and I was in 3rd at like 2,100rpm. This guy comes up from behind and tries to pass me all of a sudden and I instantly just punch it. 3rd gear has a maximum speed of 85mph for the manual transmission, so I punch it and hold it there, but we are both accelerating.

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Basically, a 6MT Coupe punched it from 30mph and a 5AT coupe punched it from 30mph and we were dead even all the way to like 70mph when I backed off. I know there are a few variables there with the gears, but my overall point is that we were just absolutely DEAD even all the way until I backed off

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MrE, you and I are good friends and I don't mean to sound like I'm coming down on you too hard, but...

If you started out at 30 MPH in 3rd gear in a race with a 5AT coupe you gave the race away, plain and simple. Redline in FIRST gear is 37 MPH. In second it's 65 MPH. In 3rd, at 2100 RPMs, you're WAY below the sweet spot in the engine's power band. Try it yourself; in any gear, punch the throttle at 2000 RPMs and feel how much of a shove in the back you get. Then try it again at 4000 RPMs. I guarantee you there will be a night and day difference. The fact that you stayed even with the 5AT does not in any way indicate that the cars are even in performance. If it proves anything it's that a 6MT can keep up with a 5AT with the equivalent of one arm tied behind its back. If you had been in first gear (or at least second), and shifted well, under the same circumstances you would have left the 5AT in the dust.

Sorry to be so emphatic about it, but I felt it needed to be said...

 

which part you don't get it?
both were neck to neck with BOTH in 3rd gear NOT AT was in 2nd where 6MT was in 3rd... and put it in 1st gear is wasting time... you need to shift up after 8miles it's better to put it in 2nd... and this race was fair cuz both were in same gear.. and plz look at the gear ratio and tell me where and how 6MT dusts AT if MrE was in 2nd gear??? because the performance difference in 2nd and 3rd gear? isn't that true to wrong gear AT??? hmm i dunno why you keep thinkin MrE needs 2nd gear, as long as both cars in SAME GEAR it doesn't matter cuz both aren't in sweet spot anyway...and you sounds like AT was in 2nd gear w/ perfect sweet spot where 6MT was in wrong gear and still stayed neck to neck??(it's impossible to keep up with correct gear AT vs. wrong gear 6MT) if that happens then 6MT should beat AT g by 1sec or so in 1/4mile... and if AT was in 2nd and 6MT was in 3rd, AT would have been dusted 6MT not stayin neck to neck...and lastly, 6MT can't dust 5AT from at anyspeed... 6MT can beat it but they can't dust it... and "only" 6MT can beat AT is when its luanch and above 100mph due to better gearin after 3rd... and from a roll, there is no difference, whoever gets better reaction will win the race... i just can't imagine how can you think if 6MT was in 2nd would dust 5AT just bcuz it's manual... BTW you are right about put it in 2nd gear at 30mph will be a lot faster but as long as both cars in wrong gear, it doesn't matter...
PS i recharged little bit of energy after driving my g

 

Hey, what gives? Didn't you just say you wouldn't post to this thread anymore?

* this reply will be my final post relate to transmission topic... i'm soo sick and tired of this thing and i have no more energy left to fight back...* we should make a feature that automatically search before anybody posts it... and if search engine finds something relates to that topic then they can't post it... anybody can do this??

 

A little Curve Ball- Does anybody know if the manual shifting on the automatic is faster then keeping it in automatic shifting mode? I've had my car for a month and I can't tell. When you floor the car in automatic mode it drops into the gear at the highest possible RPMs. But when I do the manual shift it doen't drop into a lower gear at a higher RPM. But you can keep the torque up in manual mode. I don't know....what does everybody else think?

If it's a G it's 4 me!

 

Don't know, but I think it would be interesting to find out how many of us coupe owners test drove both the 6MT and the 5AT. I have not had a chance to sample a 5AT and with the zealous defense of that particular transmission that I have witnessed on this board, I am now curious to take a test drive. I drove a 5AT G35S and it was definitely quick, but my coupe feels a lot faster. I know the coupe has different AT, so I really don't have an accurate basis for comparison.

 

It is quicker in MM mode... It is unclear why but take a look at some earlier posts in this thread.

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both were neck to neck with BOTH in 3rd gear NOT AT was in 2nd where 6MT was in 3rd

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None of MrE's posts ever stated that, and how would he have known if that were the case anyway?

Since the AT driver was evidently challenging him to a race, it would be a reasonable assumption that only MrE was caught flooring it in the wrong gear. It would also be reasonable to assume that the AT driver either:

-Was maunally shifting and had selected an appropriate gear for 30 MPH (either 1st or 2nd), shifting when needed to 2nd/3rd.

or

-Left the tranny in automatic, in which case it would have selected either 1st or 2nd gear when floored until an appropriate programmed shift point was reached.

In either of the above cases, in a race from 30 against a 6MT left in 3rd the whole time, the 6MT car was operating at a huge disadvantage, and thus the results of this particular "race" are utterly meaningless.

I can understand your desire as (presumably) a 5AT owner to believe your car is as fast, or insignificantly slower, than a 6MT but pointing to bogus examples such as this only proves your desperation to do so. The only scenario in which a meaningful comparison can be made is from a stop in the same conditions with equally skilled/knowledgeable drivers. MrE's example here is so obviously NOT that that you couldn't find a deader horse to beat if you were looking for one.

And take a grammar lesson please, ok? Your post is so badly constructed it could induce headaches faster than a roomful of two year olds.

Sorry to come down so hard, once again, but I fear one of my personal failings is an intolerance for people who resolutely defend positions that are blatantly underinformed. Please accept my apologies.

 

"an automatic IS NOT on par with an manual if we take the driver out of the equation dood (not counting smg). period! a slush box is a slush box! ack. ugh."

- another uninformed post. You're not being mean, you just need to understand the concept better that's all. Don't worry to much about it. A lot of people of this forum have the same opinion. This topic is always being beat to death.

 

OH MY GOD!!!
Hey everyone!!!
this, BMW3toG35C think MT G in 3rd gear at 30mph can take neck to neck with AT G either at 1st or 2nd gear(at 30mph)... BTW, no one really care about grammer over the net... you can believe what you want but i hope you applied some mechanical concepts(hp, tq, "GEAR RATIO" into your conclusions... obviously you have no back ups to your thoughts but i do... look if AT G was in 2nd gear at 30mph AT g puts about 160hp at the wheel around 4400rpm(lookin at random dyno it says 170hp in 6MT so i took out about 10whp) while 6MT will be around 2100rpm as you said b4 i think, which put down about 90hp... WOW 90HP can take 160hp bcuz 160hp is usuless AT while 90hp is superior MT... oh yeah one more thing, 3rd MT g will take forever to move in to those 4k+ sweet spot while AT g will go through redline 2nd gear in no time and shift to another sweet spot in 3rd gear...now can i see some your back up data that 6MT can take neck to neck in 3rd gear while AT G is in 2nd gear at 30mph???
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oh yeah i forgot to show you a g35dyno i used...

http://uheenada.com.ne.kr/G35_dyno.png

i'm very interested in how you going to back up your thoughts...not just your guessing games(how AT will react or something like that)...

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by uheenada on 01/16/04 06:03 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

I'll make one last comment in this thread before I retire from it permanently due to the idiocy that has risen to completely absurd levels:

If the challenger, the 5AT driver, decided to take on another G35C, whichever transmission it had, in a drag race from 30 MPH while locked into 3rd gear he's a moron.

There's NO reason to believe he did that. None. Give up the idiotic assertion that he was, and look instead at performance data that's available from professional test sources, which when compared rationally support one and only one conclusion: under equal circumstances a 6MT coupe will beat a 5AT at every speed and to every distance. Period.

My apologies again, uheenada. Please understand that I don't want to make an enemy of you, but you're evidently determined to hang onto a fantasy where this subject is concerned.

And yes, grammar does matter, here and elsewhere. I sincerely wish you the luckiest of lives.

Over and out...