View Poll Results: Is the G35 a "Sports Car"
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Is your G35 a sports car?
#62
10-01-2013, 02:56 AM
Registered User
yes, it is a sports car... at least the 6MT coupe is..... it has a stiff suspension, 2 doors, 19" wheels and a highly tuned engine from the factory...... i think you could consider the 5AT coupe one as well and probably even the 6MT sedan.... but i dunno about the 5AT sedan.. it sits higher, softer suspension, smaller wheels, less power, and of course, 4 doors... still nice cars though......if a 350z is a sports car, then the G coupe is most definitely a luxury sports car... its a Z with a back seat for crying out loud
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Texasscout (10-01-2013)
#63
10-01-2013, 04:14 AM
The huge flaw in your logic is that the true definition of a sports car is a car with two doors and seats one or two people, low slung with nice lines (however you want to describe that type of aerodynamics) built for the sole purpose of performance with no useful utility. So that really means the EVO and STi only meet one of the requirements to be a true sports car. And technically, none of the cars you've listed should be considered sports cars because they have trunks that can actually hold something.
Over the years, marketing and the automobile companies have been listening to what consumers want, and new segments have been created to fit the market's wants and needs. The original definition of a coupe and sedan have been completely messed up as what actually differentiates a coupe from a sedan is size, not how many doors the car has, and the definition of a sports car has definitely changed. New technologies gave people who cannot afford the expense of a proper sports cars and needed something that performs but is more practical were given the poor man's sports cars that are designed to do more than just perform, what you call "econo cars" like the Civic Si (which is a Civic built to perform much like how the EVO is a performance version of the econo box named Lancer) and other cheap performance cars that you will always see tearing it up at the tracks, and new sports car segments were created such as the hot hatches and the sports sedans, which is exactly what the G sedans are. Like I've been saying, the fact that the G is a dressed up Z tells you it is a sports car, just with added luxuries - although the biggest difference between the Z and G are the extra seats. So not only is the Civic Si as much of a sports car as the EVO or STi, the AE86 is more of a sports car than either of those since it only seats two.
And yes, Bentley's twin turbo, 600+ hp Continental GT is a proper sports car.
So to be honest, what performance tests say doesn't mean anything here. All it says is which car is faster when you push it, and that can become a game of whose car is the fastest that only hypercars (another new segment) and other exotics can win.
Over the years, marketing and the automobile companies have been listening to what consumers want, and new segments have been created to fit the market's wants and needs. The original definition of a coupe and sedan have been completely messed up as what actually differentiates a coupe from a sedan is size, not how many doors the car has, and the definition of a sports car has definitely changed. New technologies gave people who cannot afford the expense of a proper sports cars and needed something that performs but is more practical were given the poor man's sports cars that are designed to do more than just perform, what you call "econo cars" like the Civic Si (which is a Civic built to perform much like how the EVO is a performance version of the econo box named Lancer) and other cheap performance cars that you will always see tearing it up at the tracks, and new sports car segments were created such as the hot hatches and the sports sedans, which is exactly what the G sedans are. Like I've been saying, the fact that the G is a dressed up Z tells you it is a sports car, just with added luxuries - although the biggest difference between the Z and G are the extra seats. So not only is the Civic Si as much of a sports car as the EVO or STi, the AE86 is more of a sports car than either of those since it only seats two.
And yes, Bentley's twin turbo, 600+ hp Continental GT is a proper sports car.
So to be honest, what performance tests say doesn't mean anything here. All it says is which car is faster when you push it, and that can become a game of whose car is the fastest that only hypercars (another new segment) and other exotics can win.
Last edited by dofu; 10-01-2013 at 04:29 AM.
#64
10-01-2013, 04:57 AM
The huge flaw in your logic is that the true definition of a sports car is a car with two doors and seats one or two people, low slung with nice lines (however you want to describe that type of aerodynamics) built for the sole purpose of performance with no useful utility. So that really means the EVO and STi only meet one of the requirements to be a true sports car. And technically, none of the cars you've listed should be considered sports cars because they have trunks that can actually hold something.
Over the years, marketing and the automobile companies have been listening to what consumers want, and new segments have been created to fit the market's wants and needs. The original definition of a coupe and sedan have been completely messed up as what actually differentiates a coupe from a sedan is size, not how many doors the car has, and the definition of a sports car has definitely changed. New technologies gave people who cannot afford the expense of a proper sports cars and needed something that performs but is more practical were given the poor man's sports cars that are designed to do more than just perform, what you call "econo cars" like the Civic Si (which is a Civic built to perform much like how the EVO is a performance version of the econo box named Lancer) and other cheap performance cars that you will always see tearing it up at the tracks, and new sports car segments were created such as the hot hatches and the sports sedans, which is exactly what the G sedans are. Like I've been saying, the fact that the G is a dressed up Z tells you it is a sports car, just with added luxuries - although the biggest difference between the Z and G are the extra seats. So not only is the Civic Si as much of a sports car as the EVO or STi, the AE86 is more of a sports car than either of those since it only seats two.
And yes, Bentley's twin turbo, 600+ hp Continental GT is a proper sports car.
So to be honest, what performance tests say doesn't mean anything here. All it says is which car is faster when you push it, and that can become a game of whose car is the fastest that only hypercars (another new segment) and other exotics can win.
Over the years, marketing and the automobile companies have been listening to what consumers want, and new segments have been created to fit the market's wants and needs. The original definition of a coupe and sedan have been completely messed up as what actually differentiates a coupe from a sedan is size, not how many doors the car has, and the definition of a sports car has definitely changed. New technologies gave people who cannot afford the expense of a proper sports cars and needed something that performs but is more practical were given the poor man's sports cars that are designed to do more than just perform, what you call "econo cars" like the Civic Si (which is a Civic built to perform much like how the EVO is a performance version of the econo box named Lancer) and other cheap performance cars that you will always see tearing it up at the tracks, and new sports car segments were created such as the hot hatches and the sports sedans, which is exactly what the G sedans are. Like I've been saying, the fact that the G is a dressed up Z tells you it is a sports car, just with added luxuries - although the biggest difference between the Z and G are the extra seats. So not only is the Civic Si as much of a sports car as the EVO or STi, the AE86 is more of a sports car than either of those since it only seats two.
And yes, Bentley's twin turbo, 600+ hp Continental GT is a proper sports car.
So to be honest, what performance tests say doesn't mean anything here. All it says is which car is faster when you push it, and that can become a game of whose car is the fastest that only hypercars (another new segment) and other exotics can win.
So is a Camaro SS not anymore of a sports car than the Si because it also seats four?
#65
10-01-2013, 07:57 AM
And the v10 in the Lamborghini gallardo that is the same as the s8? The D3 series S8 features a 5.2-litre all-aluminium alloy four-valves per cylinder V10 petrol engine. This engine is a derivative of the Lamborghini Gallardo's original 5.0-litre Lamborghini V10,[17] which was also developed under the Volkswagen Group ownership.
But no a Lamborghini gallardo isn't a super sports car right?
But no a Lamborghini gallardo isn't a super sports car right?
Stay hot
#66
10-01-2013, 09:43 AM
The huge flaw in your logic is that the true definition of a sports car is a car with two doors and seats one or two people, low slung with nice lines (however you want to describe that type of aerodynamics) built for the sole purpose of performance with no useful utility. So that really means the EVO and STi only meet one of the requirements to be a true sports car. And technically, none of the cars you've listed should be considered sports cars because they have trunks that can actually hold something.
Over the years, marketing and the automobile companies have been listening to what consumers want, and new segments have been created to fit the market's wants and needs. The original definition of a coupe and sedan have been completely messed up as what actually differentiates a coupe from a sedan is size, not how many doors the car has, and the definition of a sports car has definitely changed. New technologies gave people who cannot afford the expense of a proper sports cars and needed something that performs but is more practical were given the poor man's sports cars that are designed to do more than just perform, what you call "econo cars" like the Civic Si (which is a Civic built to perform much like how the EVO is a performance version of the econo box named Lancer) and other cheap performance cars that you will always see tearing it up at the tracks, and new sports car segments were created such as the hot hatches and the sports sedans, which is exactly what the G sedans are. Like I've been saying, the fact that the G is a dressed up Z tells you it is a sports car, just with added luxuries - although the biggest difference between the Z and G are the extra seats. So not only is the Civic Si as much of a sports car as the EVO or STi, the AE86 is more of a sports car than either of those since it only seats two.
And yes, Bentley's twin turbo, 600+ hp Continental GT is a proper sports car.
So to be honest, what performance tests say doesn't mean anything here. All it says is which car is faster when you push it, and that can become a game of whose car is the fastest that only hypercars (another new segment) and other exotics can win.
Over the years, marketing and the automobile companies have been listening to what consumers want, and new segments have been created to fit the market's wants and needs. The original definition of a coupe and sedan have been completely messed up as what actually differentiates a coupe from a sedan is size, not how many doors the car has, and the definition of a sports car has definitely changed. New technologies gave people who cannot afford the expense of a proper sports cars and needed something that performs but is more practical were given the poor man's sports cars that are designed to do more than just perform, what you call "econo cars" like the Civic Si (which is a Civic built to perform much like how the EVO is a performance version of the econo box named Lancer) and other cheap performance cars that you will always see tearing it up at the tracks, and new sports car segments were created such as the hot hatches and the sports sedans, which is exactly what the G sedans are. Like I've been saying, the fact that the G is a dressed up Z tells you it is a sports car, just with added luxuries - although the biggest difference between the Z and G are the extra seats. So not only is the Civic Si as much of a sports car as the EVO or STi, the AE86 is more of a sports car than either of those since it only seats two.
And yes, Bentley's twin turbo, 600+ hp Continental GT is a proper sports car.
So to be honest, what performance tests say doesn't mean anything here. All it says is which car is faster when you push it, and that can become a game of whose car is the fastest that only hypercars (another new segment) and other exotics can win.
#67
10-01-2013, 12:12 PM
Registered User
The huge flaw in your logic is that the true definition of a sports car is a car with two doors and seats one or two people, low slung with nice lines (however you want to describe that type of aerodynamics) built for the sole purpose of performance with no useful utility. So that really means the EVO and STi only meet one of the requirements to be a true sports car. And technically, none of the cars you've listed should be considered sports cars because they have trunks that can actually hold something.
Over the years, marketing and the automobile companies have been listening to what consumers want, and new segments have been created to fit the market's wants and needs. The original definition of a coupe and sedan have been completely messed up as what actually differentiates a coupe from a sedan is size, not how many doors the car has, and the definition of a sports car has definitely changed. New technologies gave people who cannot afford the expense of a proper sports cars and needed something that performs but is more practical were given the poor man's sports cars that are designed to do more than just perform, what you call "econo cars" like the Civic Si (which is a Civic built to perform much like how the EVO is a performance version of the econo box named Lancer) and other cheap performance cars that you will always see tearing it up at the tracks, and new sports car segments were created such as the hot hatches and the sports sedans, which is exactly what the G sedans are. Like I've been saying, the fact that the G is a dressed up Z tells you it is a sports car, just with added luxuries - although the biggest difference between the Z and G are the extra seats. So not only is the Civic Si as much of a sports car as the EVO or STi, the AE86 is more of a sports car than either of those since it only seats two.
And yes, Bentley's twin turbo, 600+ hp Continental GT is a proper sports car.
So to be honest, what performance tests say doesn't mean anything here. All it says is which car is faster when you push it, and that can become a game of whose car is the fastest that only hypercars (another new segment) and other exotics can win.
Over the years, marketing and the automobile companies have been listening to what consumers want, and new segments have been created to fit the market's wants and needs. The original definition of a coupe and sedan have been completely messed up as what actually differentiates a coupe from a sedan is size, not how many doors the car has, and the definition of a sports car has definitely changed. New technologies gave people who cannot afford the expense of a proper sports cars and needed something that performs but is more practical were given the poor man's sports cars that are designed to do more than just perform, what you call "econo cars" like the Civic Si (which is a Civic built to perform much like how the EVO is a performance version of the econo box named Lancer) and other cheap performance cars that you will always see tearing it up at the tracks, and new sports car segments were created such as the hot hatches and the sports sedans, which is exactly what the G sedans are. Like I've been saying, the fact that the G is a dressed up Z tells you it is a sports car, just with added luxuries - although the biggest difference between the Z and G are the extra seats. So not only is the Civic Si as much of a sports car as the EVO or STi, the AE86 is more of a sports car than either of those since it only seats two.
And yes, Bentley's twin turbo, 600+ hp Continental GT is a proper sports car.
So to be honest, what performance tests say doesn't mean anything here. All it says is which car is faster when you push it, and that can become a game of whose car is the fastest that only hypercars (another new segment) and other exotics can win.
#68
10-01-2013, 01:49 PM
#70
10-01-2013, 02:10 PM
#71
10-01-2013, 02:12 PM
Ariel Atom, KTM X-Bow, Bac Mono, and numerous exotics, supercars, and hypercars. Paganis, Lambos, and many others have trunks but they are to small to really store anything - they are more like extra space that they've lined and covered with a door.
#72
10-01-2013, 02:28 PM
So...yay or nay on the Deloreon?
Take a trip to the Nurburgring and you'll have a different view of a "sports car" when you see your everyday VW Golf and Toyota GT-86 (FR-S) with nothing more than race tires and brakes romp M3's and GT-R's. No joke. Oh, and they are available for rent for only 149 Euro's right on the track.
Take a trip to the Nurburgring and you'll have a different view of a "sports car" when you see your everyday VW Golf and Toyota GT-86 (FR-S) with nothing more than race tires and brakes romp M3's and GT-R's. No joke. Oh, and they are available for rent for only 149 Euro's right on the track.
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Urbanengineer (10-01-2013)
#73
10-01-2013, 02:38 PM
#75
10-01-2013, 02:42 PM
I honestly wouldn't compare the EVO to the Civic SI it's too for from the economy car Lancer. Either way I see where you're coming from with the EVO having four doors rather than two, but it's still built for performance. The G is dressed up as you put it, which isn't entirely accurate because it is still different chassis, because its built for luxury (although they didn't do a good job of that but thats beside the point). It does perform quite well, but as I stated earlier it was destroyed by the S2K and z33 on the track. I do agree however that it is part of the new sports sedan segment, similar to hot hatches and other segments, but its a grey area, and I personally don't put any of these in the sports car category.
Just because cars like the EVO, STi, or Type-R are built for performance doesn't mean other cars that aren't improved version of another car can't perform either. Is the WRX not going to be considered a sports car because it isn't an STi? It still has a suspension built to perform, a turbocharged boxer motor, and all-wheel drive. Is the Maserati MC12 not a sports car because it's a dressed up Enzo?
Nothing about the G beside the added luxury, sedan or coupe, says it doesn't fit in the modified sports car segment either. Sport suspension, high performance motor with 240-298 hp, 269 lbs of torque, 52/48 weight distribution, with the curb weight of the heaviest US model at just under 3400 lbs. What about the sedans' chassis is so horrible? It still has a very nice weight distribution.
Just for contrast, the GTR has a curb weight of 3800, and the 350z is only about 200 lbs lighter than the G, while the older 300ZX weighed in at under 2700 for it's heaviest model, STi - 3200, EVO X MR - 3600. If we go by weight, the G sedan is lighter than the coupe, so does that mean the sedan is more of a sports car than the coupe? The 300ZX which was seen as one of the best handling cars mainly due to it's nice, close to 50/50 weight distribution at it's time was as horrible as 55/45, and put down less power to the wheels than any G35 does. The EVO and STi have a weight distribution of about 52/48, Ferrari 458 - 52/48, Porsche 911 - 58/42, Cayman - 64/36, GTR - 50/50. IMHO, if you want to get technical, get technical with the info that matters for performance.
BTW, my G sedan can take 300ZX twin turbos all day.
Last edited by dofu; 10-01-2013 at 03:10 PM.