Does 6MT really outperforms by such a wide margin???
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Originally Posted by neffster
There's nothing wrong with owning a granny-tranny, right finiti? 
Actually, for an automatic the G isn't really 'bad'. It is slower than my 6MT (with me driving) however the older 5AT's (like the one in SFLG35's car) really is snappy as heck. The newer 2005's seem to be slower in responding to the shifts, but maybe that's why they're "better" as far as longevity is concerned?
Actually, for an automatic the G isn't really 'bad'. It is slower than my 6MT (with me driving) however the older 5AT's (like the one in SFLG35's car) really is snappy as heck. The newer 2005's seem to be slower in responding to the shifts, but maybe that's why they're "better" as far as longevity is concerned?
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Originally Posted by da45king
you can miss evey shift and still grind your way past an auto...been ther done that)...
I'm wondering if some of the lag you guys are mentioning isn't an '05 thing. Seems like there have been more posts about AT lag in the '05's then the 03/04 models. I certainly don't notice much lag on my '03 AT. For the record, before the sedan I had a 6MT coupe, and if the MT *is* faster it's only when you hit all the shifts just right, and even then it's pretty inconsequential, at least imo. The 6MT is definitely more fun to drive when you're not in traffic, though. 
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My 05 granny-tranny doesn't lag much - and it's no biggie once you learn to anticipate and compensate for it.
Having said that - while the differences between the two (5AT and 6MT) are small, and the quicker car will likely be determined by the driver - the 6MT is statiscally faster than the 5AT in all categories.
I still want to know what the differences between the coupe 5AT and sedan 5AT are...
Having said that - while the differences between the two (5AT and 6MT) are small, and the quicker car will likely be determined by the driver - the 6MT is statiscally faster than the 5AT in all categories.
I still want to know what the differences between the coupe 5AT and sedan 5AT are...
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Originally Posted by VQ35sleeper
its impossible to shift faster then an auto tranny, the whole difference is control, response, and point of contact...the computer gets confused when you floor the throttle because you change from one driving style to another...whereas in a 6mt, there is no computer there to get confused, so the response is directly to your input. IT just all depends on the way you handle it...
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The guy didn't make the rude statement by leaving because he thinks he is faster than you. He took off in disgust because he feels it is a travesty to buy what he thinks is a sports car, with an automatic transmission.
Now, I know this isnt even close to the same thing, but what would you think of the person that purchases a corvette Z06, Viper, Ferrari, Lambo, etc. with an automatic transmission.
It is all just perception of what a car should have.
Now, I know this isnt even close to the same thing, but what would you think of the person that purchases a corvette Z06, Viper, Ferrari, Lambo, etc. with an automatic transmission.
It is all just perception of what a car should have.
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Originally Posted by Superman
The guy didn't make the rude statement by leaving because he thinks he is faster than you. He took off in disgust because he feels it is a travesty to buy what he thinks is a sports car, with an automatic transmission.
Now, I know this isnt even close to the same thing, but what would you think of the person that purchases a corvette Z06, Viper, Ferrari, Lambo, etc. with an automatic transmission.
It is all just perception of what a car should have.
Now, I know this isnt even close to the same thing, but what would you think of the person that purchases a corvette Z06, Viper, Ferrari, Lambo, etc. with an automatic transmission.
It is all just perception of what a car should have.
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Originally Posted by Superman
The guy didn't make the rude statement by leaving because he thinks he is faster than you. He took off in disgust because he feels it is a travesty to buy what he thinks is a sports car, with an automatic transmission.
Now, I know this isnt even close to the same thing, but what would you think of the person that purchases a corvette Z06, Viper, Ferrari, Lambo, etc. with an automatic transmission.
Now, I know this isnt even close to the same thing, but what would you think of the person that purchases a corvette Z06, Viper, Ferrari, Lambo, etc. with an automatic transmission.
Originally Posted by Superman
The guy didn't make the rude statement by leaving because he thinks he is faster than you. He took off in disgust because he feels it is a travesty to buy what he thinks is a sports car, with an automatic transmission.
Now, I know this isnt even close to the same thing, but what would you think of the person that purchases a corvette Z06, Viper, Ferrari, Lambo, etc. with an automatic transmission.
It is all just perception of what a car should have.
Now, I know this isnt even close to the same thing, but what would you think of the person that purchases a corvette Z06, Viper, Ferrari, Lambo, etc. with an automatic transmission.
It is all just perception of what a car should have.
Originally Posted by heeb
most lambos and ferraris are automatics because they are sequential gearbox transmissions, and have lightning quick shifts to where it puts it ahead of the manual counterparts. Check eBay and such. I was suprised to see such a large number of Lambos, and even Ferraris are autos.
For example, in BMW's SMG setup, there is no torque converter, it's more like a manual transmission that's shifted electrohydraulically by solenoids (all controlled by computer).
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I've driven numerous SMG II's (e46 M3's) and they are horrible. I can shift way better than that tranny on the road, track is a different story though. It gives you better control of your car because you can use the paddles to shift and keep complete control over your car.
As they like to say on Top Gear , "Flappy paddle gear boxes are good for the track but horrible for the road"
Also don't forget maintence and repair costs are cheaper on a MT, unless you mis-shift...
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As they like to say on Top Gear , "Flappy paddle gear boxes are good for the track but horrible for the road"
Also don't forget maintence and repair costs are cheaper on a MT, unless you mis-shift...
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i think the creative minds behind the 6mt developers would be shaking their heads in disgust reading how many people disrespect or show a lack of respect for the 6mt...
not only the quickness or the speed, but the Feel of the close gear ratio on the 6mt CANNOT be dublicated by the 5at, doesn't even come close
FACT: the VQ35 MT is a superior machine compared to the VQ35 AT
too many of your AT drivers are just not willing to accept that.
i mean yeah, if you're driving in traffic all day well, the AT may be a better choice for you, but you still have to accept the fact that the 6mt is superior machine
not only the quickness or the speed, but the Feel of the close gear ratio on the 6mt CANNOT be dublicated by the 5at, doesn't even come close
FACT: the VQ35 MT is a superior machine compared to the VQ35 AT
too many of your AT drivers are just not willing to accept that.
i mean yeah, if you're driving in traffic all day well, the AT may be a better choice for you, but you still have to accept the fact that the 6mt is superior machine
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Originally Posted by neffster
I don't understand why it's so hard to believe that SOME drivers can shift a 6MT faster than the 5AT can shift itself?
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Originally Posted by Superman
The guy didn't make the rude statement by leaving because he thinks he is faster than you. He took off in disgust because he feels it is a travesty to buy what he thinks is a sports car, with an automatic transmission.
Now, I know this isnt even close to the same thing, but what would you think of the person that purchases a corvette Z06, Viper, Ferrari, Lambo, etc. with an automatic transmission.
It is all just perception of what a car should have.
Now, I know this isnt even close to the same thing, but what would you think of the person that purchases a corvette Z06, Viper, Ferrari, Lambo, etc. with an automatic transmission.
It is all just perception of what a car should have.
Well my perception of a G is to have a granny-tranny since my wife drives it too. But even if she doesn't, I don't think it was a horrible investment.