your logic is a bit flawed- It's not like you are driving 60MPH straight from a dig. If I get to 20 quicker than you and then you make up velocity, you are still behind be even though your speed may be faster. You can't measure carlengths in 0-60 times only 1/4 mile times. There are a limit number of tests on the 5AT 0-60 ranging from what I've seen from 5.9 up to 6.1 seconds. I have only seen 1 6MT time quicker out of the NUMEROUS tests which is 5.5. All of the others are closer to the 6 second mark.

As regards the person who stated that the 6MT is a "superior machine" I say way to make a foll of yourself within your first 3 posts. Do some research on all the issues with the 6MT. Look at peoples timeslips AFTER breakin and the 5AT demonstrates a more drastic increase in performance than does the 6MT after breakin.

 

I am not a good enough math wiz to figure out the distance between the two as speed increases. As the MT passes 60MPH it will be covering 8.8 feet per 1/10 of a second. AT 5.5 seconds when the MT car reaches 60mph, the AT car will be about 60 feet behind. The MT car will ever increase it's lead even more as the speed rises. As you say 1/4 mile times are better to calculate, I have seen 6MT 's do a 14.2 and AT cars do 14.7 .5 of a second at 98 MPH is roughly 72 feet.

Your right, everyone chose their car for their own reasons. I chose a G35 instead of an E55 and I will concede that the E55 is a much faster. Using this same logic, instead of choosing an MT G35, you chose an AT G35 which is a slower car.

 

Allow me to retort:

First of all, SixFive, if you're sooo mature, and sooo sick of these debates, i don't understand why you take part in these repetitive discussions held by all these immature people.

and KahBoom, how does the performance of the car after its broken in have anything to do with what i was talkling about? (6mt being "superior machine" compared to 5at)

in GMAT terms, its called comparing apples to oranges, the only logic thats flawed is yours.

anyways...broken or not, stock 6mt is quicker vs stock 5at (assuming the driver is an experienced manual driver. and keeping every other variable constant. )

 

it has been done over and over again its not bs....once you stop grinding gears the 6mt will pull on an auto...no matter what speed you start the race at

 

I had an AT for 1 month.....that start from a stand still...pissed me off....seemed like you were starting in second gear....sure you could power brake....but thats too extreme and sells too many woof tickets...

 

well an 03/04 6mt out performs an 05 6mt so by transitive property of equality the 05 6mt should really be in trouble against an Auto....

do you smell that??? *sniff**sniff*

 

for each 1/10th of a second in the quarter that equates to roughly 1 car length. Now I have seen a lot more 6.1 0-60's and 14.4 to 14.6 quarter miles for 6MT's than the numbers you have retorted. I have seen actual time slips at the track demonstrating that the two are within a tenth of a second of each other stock. MAG racing is stupid becausre the times are never consistent period ...I digress

Back to the time/distance measurement. There is absolutely no way that you can say that 0-60 times equate to a certain distance apart. At the very moment that said car is at 60 MPH sure you can measure how many feet per second it is moving but you cannot say that it is X distance in front of another car. There is actually the possibility for a car to reach 60MPH quicker and still be behind but be playing catch up. So let's take the two times that you have thus mentioned which is BTW the slowest time I've seen posted for a 5AT and the fastest time I've seen listed for the 6MT (nice job drastically stretching the numbers into your favor as I have never seen a 14.7 for the 5AT coupe) In this case the 5AT would be roughly 5 carlengths behind at a quarter mile. 60 feet is roughly 5 carlenghts (as you have stated the 6MT is ahead by such at 60MPH) or so but according to your logic (which is flawed) the 6MT is ahead by 72 feet in the quarter. So what you are saying is that the 6MT is able to put 4 or 5 carlengths on the 5AT at 60 MPH (LOL) and only gain one additional carlength up to roughly 98 MPH...Or better yet since you are basing your 0-60 time on 5.5 for the 6MT and I assume 6.1 for the 5AT which is a difference of .6 sec... now you are saying that there is only a .5 second difference for them to get to 98 MPH (in essence that the 5AT is begining to make up ground as regards acceleration... doesn't make sense.

 

Dude you need to research the performance characteristics of the G then come back to me. If you don't know that there is a difference after breakin most drastically affecting the 5AT then you have lost all credibility.

 

14.2s is not the fastest mag time for the G. Motor trend got 14.1s for an 05 6mt sedan.

 

I didn't realize my ranting will start an old debate. But either way for those who thinks of us 5AT cars as inferior machines compared to your 6MT. So be it, there's no way to end this debate. But on the road if ppl are planning on making us look bad on purpose, they better have perfect shifting techniques. On specs, sure the 6MT maybe outperform. But after going against a few slightly modded 6MT Z and Gs, most of them talk $hit. And those people who talks trash really can't shift for crap. If you're one of those who can shift, I give you respect for being able to handle your car.

 

what the hell are u talking about?

 

He's calling BS in a passive aggressive sort of way. After pulling on Z's pretty well, I tend to not worry about 6MT's so I'm just here to lend a hand to the AT drivers who know what's up and know they don't have to bow down to any MT anywhere - 05 or not!

 

Can you give me an example of how this is possible? I'm trying to figure it out now and can't think of how to do it.. probably because all the physics I've learned so far has been constant acceleration.

 

Stock for stock the AT will beat the MT everytime, its proven

 

my prediction:

this thread will continue for several more posts, people will start calling each other names, the thread eventually gets locked.

in a few weeks, another poster asks, what's better a 6MT or 5AT, doesn't do a search, manual drivers will chime in, insulting 5AT drivers, that thread gets locked, and we will wait until the next round.

here's the problem:
half the people are using magazine times to determine is one car truly is faster than the other. that won't prove a thing, just proves that on that day, on that track, with that driver, that's what they got.

In theory, a stock 6MT should be faster. more gears, less drivetrain loss. But because the cars are close enough in WHP, it's not a huge difference.

I've been to several dyno days with G35s and 350z. Most of the time the 6MT puts about 10 more WHP than the equivalent 5AT. But with varying road conditions, driver skill, anything can happen.

Then you have to determine what is the definition of faster. Is it 0-60? 1/4 mile? Top speed? Take your pick.