Not too impressed with my G
Originally Posted by HumpTheFridge
well about a month ago i went out and bought an 06 6mt. the looks of the car got me hooked when they first came out so i rescearched them for awhile hearing nothing but good things about them. dont get me wrong i love the car but i have to say it is prety slow. i hear alot of you guys saying how fast they are even when left stock but i dont know if i would even put it in the quick catagory. it just seems like it take ages to accelerate and pull through the RPM range. i just dont know what to do.
Alright, I really dont knwo why everyone here is bi*tching about it. YOU GUYS TEST DROVE IT! it might not be fast for u, but ask other people who drive honda civic, toyota corrola, and other mid size cars. They can tel you more about this car then you.
This is true, as time passes you also dont feel the same about the car just like your wifes. lol Just cuz of that u shouldnt be bitching about it, You should of researched before you bought it. THe reason i bought sedan was cuz it had the sporty and the lux to it. Its a half n half mix.
If you bought this car to race other people while its stock, u better trade it in or do something to the engine cuz ur not gonna win lot of races with the stock engine
This is true, as time passes you also dont feel the same about the car just like your wifes. lol Just cuz of that u shouldnt be bitching about it, You should of researched before you bought it. THe reason i bought sedan was cuz it had the sporty and the lux to it. Its a half n half mix.
If you bought this car to race other people while its stock, u better trade it in or do something to the engine cuz ur not gonna win lot of races with the stock engine
Originally Posted by basus
Agree with u, it is not as fast as 300 hp should be, specially the pickup in 1st gear sucks
Stock '05-'06 cars are putting down about 205-210 whp on the street (not the inflated dynojet). That's over 30% loss from the supposed crank number. There is a reason that the cars feel so slow and put out similar acceleration numbers as other similarly weighted cars with less power... because they don't really have 300 hp!
Originally Posted by runningonmt
For heaven's sake, my daughter's Jetta VR6 has a lot more bottom-end oomph than my G. Yes, yes, I know the G would turn in a considerably faster 1/4 mile than the Jetta but you'd never know it by the way it feels when I tromp on the accelerator fram a 5-10 mph rolling start.
MC2, you say that fast is relative but that the G35C is faster than 95% of cars. Doesn't that make it fast? I agree that fast is relative, but if the 95th percentile isn't enough, then what is? Look at the road tests done by Car & Driver and Motor Trend. How many are faster than a G35C, yet still in the price range?
I think you should all stop A) complaining because this car isn't something you wanted it to be, although it never was or meant to be and B) using dragster speeds or horsepower as a measure of fast. As I said before, if you want raw power - buy a car that delivers it. They're out there, Evo, GTO, Shelby or Saleen Mustang, Viper, Vette, G35 w/mods, etc. But if you want one of the best all around cars you can buy, get a G35C.
One man's fast is another man's slow
Originally Posted by mc2
First off, Fast is all relative.
Originally Posted by mc2
I love my G35, but the truth is, it's not that fast. Not for 300 HP, give me a break.
Originally Posted by mc2
I come from a stock Turbo Mr2 myself It’s a 200 HP 3000lb car. And stock it can run in the low 14s, and with a 15 dollar boost controller, it breaks into 13s!
The [G is] not fast like a fast car should be. Sure it's faster than 95% of the cars on the road, but obviously when we sit here and talk about which cars are fast and which cars aren't, we exclude the ford escorts, and chevy cavaliers, and Honda civics. You compare it to other cars of similar HP. This is probably one of the slowest 300 HP cars there are!
The [G is] not fast like a fast car should be. Sure it's faster than 95% of the cars on the road, but obviously when we sit here and talk about which cars are fast and which cars aren't, we exclude the ford escorts, and chevy cavaliers, and Honda civics. You compare it to other cars of similar HP. This is probably one of the slowest 300 HP cars there are!
Look, I'm 51 years old and have owned and driven a lot of genuinely fast cars in my day. My very first car was a 3700 lb 1968 Olds 4-4-2 3-spd automatic with 325 gross hp under the old SAE rating system (and 440 lb-ft of torque!) but using contemporary measurement methods it would be rated at considerably less than that. Nevertheless, if/when you could get the tires to hook up it would absolutely pin you to the seat! And my previous daily driver (and current beater) is a 1992 Eclipse GSX. It's a 3300 lb car with 195 hp in stock tune (maybe about 215 with my exhaust and intake mods). It's pretty hard to drive two cars at one time, but if it were possible I don't think the G would start pulling on it until we were going somewhere in excess of 60 mph. In its day my GSX was a fairly fast car, but not by today's standards. And by today's standards, neither is the G.Someone asked if I test drove the car before I bought it. Yes, of course I did, but my wife was in the passenger's seat and the salesman sat in the back. I was not about to hammer on the car the way I would have if I had been a) alone; b) driving on a suitable road; and c) in a properly broken-in vehicle. However, to the limited extent I was able to push it it felt very much like I expected it would, and based on the sterling reviews I had read and the advertised 298 hp I assumed (silly, silly me) that after it was broken in the power would be there and I would able to thoroughly exploit it. At 13,000 miles my G is certainly broken in, and if I drive it just right it's pretty quick. However, no one is going to convince me the G puts out nearly 300 hp at the flywheel.
Originally Posted by mc2
But either way, I love my G. I didn’t buy it to run 13 second ¼ miles anyway so.
no one is going to convince me the G puts out nearly 300 hp at the flywheel.
I don't doubt that the G puts out 298 HP at the flywheel. For street driving, HP isn't all that important. Torque is far more relevant. The S2000 has around 250 HP and not much torque, and it feels very slow unless you get the RPMs over 5K. Another problem with the G is that it's very heavy. Weight kills performance. The pre '02 993 Porsche has a HP rating similar to the G, but it's much faster, and the reason is that the 993 coupe has a curb weight under 3100 lbs.
I don't doubt that the G puts out 298 HP at the flywheel. For street driving, HP isn't all that important. Torque is far more relevant. The S2000 has around 250 HP and not much torque, and it feels very slow unless you get the RPMs over 5K. Another problem with the G is that it's very heavy. Weight kills performance. The pre '02 993 Porsche has a HP rating similar to the G, but it's much faster, and the reason is that the 993 coupe has a curb weight under 3100 lbs.
Very true. When it comes to the luxury side, weight becomes an issue. Those features like, heated leather seats, 6-disc CD changers, etc... add alot of weight. You could probably take at least 500lbs out of the G without too much trouble.
Of course if you wanted something lighter and less luxurius you should have gotten a Z without some of the weight adders, and you would have saved yourself a few thousand dollars.
Of course if you wanted something lighter and less luxurius you should have gotten a Z without some of the weight adders, and you would have saved yourself a few thousand dollars.
It's kinda funny how people complain about certain things. Guess the grass will always be greener on the other side. 298HP (old SAE rating) is nothing to laugh at. My car has 260HP (old SAE rating) to the front wheels! With an auto tranny, I'll be lucky to get 200-210HP to the wheels (when VTEC engages).
Sorry to hear people dropped serious cash and didn't realize it didn't feel "fast". Like some others have said, buy a S2000 and rev it up like a motorcycle if you want to feel 'fast'. If you wanted luxury and speed, you'll need to spend in excess of $60k to get that feeling (eg Porsche) or if you want cheaper speed, find a Neon RT4 or EVO / STi. If you want to find a fast Nissan, good luck finding a street legal R32-R34 GTR. (At least in Canada, I can find street legal R32s for C$20k (US$18k)).
Sorry to hear people dropped serious cash and didn't realize it didn't feel "fast". Like some others have said, buy a S2000 and rev it up like a motorcycle if you want to feel 'fast'. If you wanted luxury and speed, you'll need to spend in excess of $60k to get that feeling (eg Porsche) or if you want cheaper speed, find a Neon RT4 or EVO / STi. If you want to find a fast Nissan, good luck finding a street legal R32-R34 GTR. (At least in Canada, I can find street legal R32s for C$20k (US$18k)).
Saying that the G wasn't built to be a "performance" car is a lame excuse IMO! The G, like others, is marketed as a performance/luxury car. And just because the initial response to the car by potential buyers is to it's luxury-laden interior doesn't mean performance should be undermined!
I personally think the G is fast! Others don't! The M3 is car that has one of the best balances between performance/luxury and i gather that most of you would agree! So luxury isn't a trade-off for performance!
I think some people get offended when comments arise stating that the G isn't fast! You gotta respect people's opinion!
The same people that are saying the G wasn't meant to be a performance car are the same ones throwing thousands of dollars into the engine to make it faster. So i see a little bit of hypocrisy there!
In this day and age, luxury and great performance go hand-and-hand...you just have to have the money to get the total package!
I personally think the G is fast! Others don't! The M3 is car that has one of the best balances between performance/luxury and i gather that most of you would agree! So luxury isn't a trade-off for performance!
I think some people get offended when comments arise stating that the G isn't fast! You gotta respect people's opinion!
The same people that are saying the G wasn't meant to be a performance car are the same ones throwing thousands of dollars into the engine to make it faster. So i see a little bit of hypocrisy there!
In this day and age, luxury and great performance go hand-and-hand...you just have to have the money to get the total package!
So then whats the hp rating at the crank for the rev up motors under the new rating system? I always assumed that the G's, even my 04 coupe were over rated as far as the power is concerned. stock G coupes that dyno 220-230 at the rear wheels???....thats over 50 or 60 hp drivtrain loss! thats alot power to be lost.... anyway i still love my G.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics
Originally Posted by Jaycee3.5
So then whats the hp rating at the crank for the rev up motors under the new rating system? I always assumed that the G's, even my 04 coupe were over rated as far as the power is concerned. stock G coupes that dyno 220-230 at the rear wheels???....thats over 50 or 60 hp drivtrain loss! thats alot power to be lost.... anyway i still love my G.
What all this boils down to is that unless a manufacturer is willing to have its engine power output testing monitored in accordance with J2723, the consumer has no way to be sure the revised J1349 measurement standard is being correctly and consistently applied. We simply have to trust that automakers are applying the standard correctly. And I'm sure they can be trusted, aren't you? After all, why on earth would any manufacturer want to exaggerate the power output of the engine in a market segment where even an extra 10 or 20 horsepower can be enough to give them a significant marketing edge over the competition?
You want to know how much power the Revup engine really puts out? So do I, but I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for Nissan/Infiniti to come clean anytime soon.


