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Originally Posted by GeeWillikers
Some of the highest performing cars in the world are moving toward manual-shift automatics - the technology has come a long way.
The autos with manual shift mode like in the G or Acura TL, it's still an automatic transmission with clutch bands, torque converters, and valve bodies. Where as the SMG trannies and the ones in Ferraris, it's an actual manual gearbox with synchros, clutch forks. It's just that those things have servos and actuators that actually operates the shifter and clutch.
Both are still fun to drive though.
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Originally Posted by badtziscool
Actually, there is a distinction between Automatics with manual mode vs. an actual semi-auto gearbox like the SMG in the Bimmers and the paddle shifts in Ferraris.
The autos with manual shift mode like in the G or Acura TL, it's still an automatic transmission with clutch bands, torque converters, and valve bodies. Where as the SMG trannies and the ones in Ferraris, it's an actual manual gearbox with synchros, clutch forks. It's just that those things have servos and actuators that actually operates the shifter and clutch.
Both are still fun to drive though.
The autos with manual shift mode like in the G or Acura TL, it's still an automatic transmission with clutch bands, torque converters, and valve bodies. Where as the SMG trannies and the ones in Ferraris, it's an actual manual gearbox with synchros, clutch forks. It's just that those things have servos and actuators that actually operates the shifter and clutch.
Both are still fun to drive though.
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Originally Posted by GeeWillikers
No, but the car only has about 550 on her. I'll run her around today (42 steady state) and see if I can duplicate. Honestly, compared to every car I've ever owned this is the smoothest auto I've ever seen. My biggest problem was getting used to having 5 gears. The quick shifting 1-2-3 was a little odd at first.
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Originally Posted by GeeWillikers
Agree completely, but as their technology evolves so does the thinking behind the engineering of the modern manu-matics. Infiniti has improved this transmission's manual mode twofold since its introduction - yes? It'll only keep getting better.
Yes, they are much better than before. Older auto trannys were pretty inefficient. Too much hp lost through driveline friction. Now, that's not the case. Now we have some autos that are almost as efficient as a manual gearbox.
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Originally Posted by GeeWillikers
Most of us use our manual-mode for running up through the gears - I have never used mine for braking the car - that could cause some added stress if done improperly....
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I'm not sure running full auto is best for acceleration..
I tested it many times and the tranny shifts at least 300 -400 rpm before I can in manual mode, and way before redline. That may not be alot of Hp all together, but being able to stay up higher in the rpm for the next shift is more beneficial.
For example...and this is in my car....
In full auto my car shifts before 60 mph from second into third...in MM I can hit past 60 in second allowing for better numbers.
Of course that is my car, and may not be the same in all.
I tested it many times and the tranny shifts at least 300 -400 rpm before I can in manual mode, and way before redline. That may not be alot of Hp all together, but being able to stay up higher in the rpm for the next shift is more beneficial.
For example...and this is in my car....
In full auto my car shifts before 60 mph from second into third...in MM I can hit past 60 in second allowing for better numbers.
Of course that is my car, and may not be the same in all.
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I have a stack of slips showing an average of a full tenth of a second faster using the MM mode over 1/4 mile.
This may not sound like much, but it is at least a car length by the end of the track.
The converse is that the runs in "D" are unbelievably consistent, repeatable to the hundredth and sometimes the thousandth !!!
This may not sound like much, but it is at least a car length by the end of the track.
The converse is that the runs in "D" are unbelievably consistent, repeatable to the hundredth and sometimes the thousandth !!!
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I was thinking more about daily driving than best 0-60 times. My car shifts pretty consitently at redline at WOT. I would need to practice A LOT (with my crappy reflexes) to try and beat my full auto time. I personlly don't feel like bouncing off the rev limiter to gain that elusive 1/10th second.
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Originally Posted by PotomacG
I was thinking more about daily driving than best 0-60 times. My car shifts pretty consitently at redline at WOT. I would need to practice A LOT (with my crappy reflexes) to try and beat my full auto time. I personlly don't feel like bouncing off the rev limiter to gain that elusive 1/10th second.
I know what you mean....bouncing even slightly off the limiter put me almost 2/10ths BEHIND full auto runs as opposed to ahead a tenth.
At the track, however, the difference between winning and losing is sometimes measured in thousandths of a second.
If you wanted to bracket-race, you could clean up just leaving it in "D". I've never driven a car this consistent from run-to-run before now.
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