G35 vs. Audi S4
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Re: G35 vs. Audi S4
"alright it better cuz 15 was very disipointing for a 40 grand car"
take a look at this
http://www.s4biturbo.com/timeslips.cgi
take a look at this
http://www.s4biturbo.com/timeslips.cgi
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Re: G35 vs. Audi S4
The one I'll be racing is stock- no mods. I believe this is the way to check out the car against a stock G... Most of those cars had mods, this one won't. Just clearing that up.
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Alright, so I didn't get to use my track time, as it's been raining cats and dogs in Indy for at least a week. Yesterday, the sun showed up, so my friend came over with his S4 and we did some unscientific testing.
Temp: 82F
Alt: 700ft
Conditions: Paved, 1/2 mile, smooth
Cars: Stock g35 sedan, Stock Audi S4
Number of trials: 5
Conditions of cars:
G35- 6,000 miles, A/C and VDC off
S4- 3,000 miles, A/C TCS off
Results:
G35 won every trial in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile- but not by a huge margain. The S4 would pull better off the starting line, but once the G hit ~3,500rpm, it pulled ahead and stayed there. This was done with automatic, and manumatic trasmission modes to eliminate as much driver error as possible. Drivers switched after three trials- if this caused a noticable difference, we would re-run tests with different drivers. Our concensus was that the G was in the lead by 1 car length at 60mph (radar gun used), and two at 1/4 mile (We simply taped off 1/4 mile on ground and had an impartial judge).
Like I said, we don't have timeslips and didn't do it at an 'official' track, however the repeatability of this convinved me enough that in this situation, the G will take the checkered flag.
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Temp: 82F
Alt: 700ft
Conditions: Paved, 1/2 mile, smooth
Cars: Stock g35 sedan, Stock Audi S4
Number of trials: 5
Conditions of cars:
G35- 6,000 miles, A/C and VDC off
S4- 3,000 miles, A/C TCS off
Results:
G35 won every trial in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile- but not by a huge margain. The S4 would pull better off the starting line, but once the G hit ~3,500rpm, it pulled ahead and stayed there. This was done with automatic, and manumatic trasmission modes to eliminate as much driver error as possible. Drivers switched after three trials- if this caused a noticable difference, we would re-run tests with different drivers. Our concensus was that the G was in the lead by 1 car length at 60mph (radar gun used), and two at 1/4 mile (We simply taped off 1/4 mile on ground and had an impartial judge).
Like I said, we don't have timeslips and didn't do it at an 'official' track, however the repeatability of this convinved me enough that in this situation, the G will take the checkered flag.
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Re: G35 vs. Audi S4
The vehicle in question for this thread was a 5AT, hence the test with a 5AT... I'll do it again if I get my hands on a 6MT in the near future. It's getting tough, though; none of my friends are willing to race me with their new cars anymore. I've taken down an IS, 330xi, S4, S60, and A4 so far... I need more friends.
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Re: G35 vs. Audi S4
Hey Geo... Actually I have a 6MT and I don't know what the other guy had (stick/auto?). But now as you know I did beat him. It was about 2-3 cars, don't know the exact distance we ran. All I have to say is the G35 rocks. The S4 is a great car as well, but $35,000 for a used S4 or a new G35?
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Not to be rude, being new here and all, but some of you guys are smoking some bad crack.
I currently own a 2001 S4 Avant (bone stock drivetrain) and a 2003 G35 sedan. I drive them both on a daily basis. Stock for stock the S4 will eat the G35 every day of the week. And that is on dry pavement. Add some water to the surface and the G35 couldn't even see the S4's rear bumper. This isn't anecdotal from a single "race" somewhere, this is personal day-to-day experience.
The key that most surface-level enthusiasts miss is that peak HP numbers don't mean diddly except on a racetrack where your near redline most of the time. In the real world, it is area under the curve for the entire RPM range that matters. A car with a moderately high but very wide power band will typically demolish a higher but very peaky HP car on the street unless it is a sustained straightline race where the peak HP comes into play long enough to offset the aggregate power disadvantage throughout the lower range.
The S4 is on the short end of the stick if you calculate power to weight ratios based on peak HP. But if you calculate it on area under the curve, it has a clear advantage (due to its very broad HP and torque curve).
Anyway, I don't mean to stir up trouble but I found all this speculation and anecdotal "race" info to be rather amusing and extremely inaccurate.
Peace out.
I currently own a 2001 S4 Avant (bone stock drivetrain) and a 2003 G35 sedan. I drive them both on a daily basis. Stock for stock the S4 will eat the G35 every day of the week. And that is on dry pavement. Add some water to the surface and the G35 couldn't even see the S4's rear bumper. This isn't anecdotal from a single "race" somewhere, this is personal day-to-day experience.
The key that most surface-level enthusiasts miss is that peak HP numbers don't mean diddly except on a racetrack where your near redline most of the time. In the real world, it is area under the curve for the entire RPM range that matters. A car with a moderately high but very wide power band will typically demolish a higher but very peaky HP car on the street unless it is a sustained straightline race where the peak HP comes into play long enough to offset the aggregate power disadvantage throughout the lower range.
The S4 is on the short end of the stick if you calculate power to weight ratios based on peak HP. But if you calculate it on area under the curve, it has a clear advantage (due to its very broad HP and torque curve).
Anyway, I don't mean to stir up trouble but I found all this speculation and anecdotal "race" info to be rather amusing and extremely inaccurate.
Peace out.
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