To analyze the deal from a profit/loss standpoint, I think you have to consider the resultng net worth under each scenario:

Scenario 1: I kept the G35 Auto
Asset = $30000 (current market value of car)
Liability = $28000 (current principal still outstanding on loan amount)
Net Worth = $2000 (Asset - Liability)

Scenario 2: Traded G35 Auto for 6MT
Asset = $30000 (current market value of car)
Liability = $28000 (new loan amount)
Net Worth = $2000 (Asset - Liability)

So at the end of the day my vehicle net worth didn't change...It was $2000 whether I kept the Auto or traded for the 6MT. This was the case because the transaction involved no cash out of pocket and the dealer considered the market value of my used Auto to be the same as his new 6MT. One other saving grace point was that these were lease deals, not purchases, so I didn't lose any prepaid sales tax. Had these been purchases, then I certainly would have lost about $3K.

 

Can only be felt at the track? Get a clue (dude), the 6 speed performance can be felt everyday you drive the car. Day to day driving, the 6mt is still going to be a faster car no matter what.

 

Wow if this is all true do you know how much money you have wasted? Why don't you just lease cars

 

You are not going to feel the difference between a couple of 10ths of a second in the quarter mile. That's ridiculous

 

First of all, DUDE, I've lost more clues than you've ever owned, so lets start from there.

I'm not going to waste time arguing with you, but if you can tell the difference between a 5.8 second G and a 6 second G around town, then you're BSing yourself based on working the manual. I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt when it comes to shifting for himself, but he's not going to pull much more than a fender on a 5AT.

Is it quicker? Yes. Are you going to leave the 5AT in your dust? Absolutely not. 05 manual is rated at 5.8. 05 AUTO is rated 6.0-ish.

If you're out racing stoplight to stoplight like some moronic imbecile you might THINK you can tell a difference. If you drive like a normal human being, then more likely not.

I don't know many folks who can feel a TWO TENTHS OF A SECOND difference with their a$s. The only reason we know there is a difference at all is guys here have taken them to the track and the clock has told us there is one.

But anyway. My statement stands as written. Around town the biggest difference he's going to feel is in his right hand (the shifter) and left foot (the clutch). You're talking $hit, as usual.

 

I gotta say, that I perceive a difference between our two cars. Intellectually, I know that any difference that there may be should be imperceptible, however, I feel it because I want to feel it. On the other hand, I could likely drive another car, that was perhaps a full half second slower than the auto, and if it drove/shifted like my 6mt, I would still "perceive" an increase. It's all physchological.

When I got the 6mt, all my coworkers and my dad said that I would get tired of rowing the gears day in and day out. My dad drove manuals all his life, until the past couple of years. My wife, likewise, has driven mostly manuals. I have not. To me, the experience of driving the manual is much more visceral, even if it can be tedious in stop-n-go traffic(read:my daily drive).

Granted, I haven't had my manual even two months yet, but I wouldn't trade it for the world. Coming from a long history of slow rides, this car is the most fun I've ever had in a vehicle(yes, including that).

You're right. There's no justifiable performance difference, but it's still a blast.

 

Is that quarter mile run in your signature courtesy of the 6mt? Because I have seen a whole ****load of auto G35's that turn in better numbers than that. Because the case is this if you don't shift really well the 6MT is actually slower than the 5AT.

 

Who cares who is faster than who and which car is faster than the other. He wants to row gears---- good. He likes the image the car gives--good. He buys 100 cars a month--good. If anyone should be worried, it is his wife. If she is ok with it or not it is their discussion.


Who the hell buys this car and is not at all aware of its upscale image. Please

 

You know, I agree with at least 90 percent of what you post. But I don't understand why you're so defensive about the 5AT, and why you're often hostile toward 6MT drivers. I'm not referring to this single post, but rather the overall attitude of your writings on this subject. They just seem, well, hostile. Care to elaborate?

And lest you think I'm not a fan of the 5AT, or that I think that only the clueless or lazy would purchase a pure RWD compact sport sedan with a slushbox, I'll reiterate for the umpteenth time my thoughts on the '05 5AT. In a word, it's brilliant. Loved it. One of the best automatic transmissions I've driven. But for me it's the wrong box. Simple as that.

BTW xtyper, congratulations on the car. May your accountant not keel over.

 

"I'm not going to waste time arguing with you, but if you can tell the difference between a 5.8 second G and a 6 second G around town, then you're BSing yourself based on working the manual."

the difference is felt when you can downshift on the 6MT in a split second, while on the AT downshifting to the right gear is left up to the cars computer system. Autos are notorious for not downshifting or downshifting to slowly.

 

I agree JKW. Seems he has a hostile personality that likes to attack others and I am not sure why. GeeW. Take a break man. We need to get together and I will buy you a beer. You live close to me so we should do this!

I am driving a Loaner G35 Auto 05 right now. It's very quick/fast for a Auto and its fun to drive. But a 6mt is just more fun to drive when you have more control over the car. The Auto is slow in shifting, so there is a difference in the fun factor with it.

I think I have XtypeR beat with cars traded. If I can find my list, I will post it in a few.

 

Thats the point I was trying to get at. He is almost trying to put down the 6mt when for some it is better and the 5at is better for others. I guess he doesn't realize it is a faster car whether or not you can feel it has nothing to do with the facts.

When it comes down to it, I won't argue with him, he even said he is clueless, or lost a lot of clues

 

1987 Nissan 200SX XE, 5mt
1992 Isuzu Pickup, 5mt
1994 Mazda Protege, 5mt
1996 GrandAm SE, 5mt
1996 Nissan Maxima SE, Auto
1998 Nissan Maxima SE, 5mt
1999 TransAm 6mt
2000 Maxima SE, Auto
1991 Sentra SE-R (Autox/Toy) extra
2000 Sentra SE, 5mt
2001 Maxima SE, 5mt
2002 Acura CL-S, auto
2003 Audi A4 1.8t, 5mt
2003 Nissan Pathfinder LE, Auto
2004 Infiniti G35, 6mt
2004 Nissan Titan, Auto
2005 Infinit G35, 6mt (Final Car for good this time)

 

I'll get this one before GeeWillikers goes bonkers on the poor lad.

Actually, soG35, the '05 5AT in manual mode includes a rev-matching downshift feature that drops gears right now and blips the throttle in an excellent impersonation of Ayrton Senna at Monaco. Really neato-keen. True, in standard slushbox mode it'll upshift and downshift as the computer sees fit, but running it in manual mode provides outstanding control. Another good bit is the fact that it'll hold a gear in manual mode until clanging into the rev limiter and will bump bump bump all day long until you tell it to upshift.

Really, the Nissan engineers did a helluva job on that transmission. It's excellent. But my humble opinion is that it's best installed in the FX35 and M35/M45, not the nimble little 3-Series fighter that is the G35. The car screams for a manual.

 

Actually the 5AT will downshift if it senses too much request for power and not enough accel in that certain gear. So it won't hold the gear sadly.