I just read this thread from the start once again and this is my favorite post in this whole entire thread. Well stated.

 

I didn't know it mattered to you how much free time I have nor how I spend it.

I am simply stating my opinion just like you have many many times in this thread.

 

OK. Let's see if Garnet Canuck can contribute something to the thread on Personalize settings for 07G35.
https://g35driver.com/forums/g35-sedan-v36-2007-08/129152-07-g35-sedan-sport-personalized-settings.html

 

C'mon Rich, what are you trying to prove here???

All I am saying is that I agreed with another member in that sound is very subjective and that NO stereo whether it be in a car or home will appeal to everyone. And if you want to know what my personal thoughts are regarding the SOW, go read my comments in thread when I got my car.

 

My post was a very simple agreement with another member.....what are you not understanding??? It wasn't meant to be anything beyond that. Is that verbose enough for you? Man, you are just reading into this way too much.

 

He plays wicked good hard rock, but he's actually got talent (so he plays jazz more than rock/pop).

I know this is flame bait, but. Get a SPL meter (anyone). Go measure using one of the commercially available test discs. How much output do you get from your PC speakers at 30Hz? How about 40Hz?

What you are saying is in order to reproduce hard rock, you do not want an accurate reproduction system. Okay, I understand your position.

John Feng

 

I covered it off. Go see.

 

I am not a hard nosed audiophile and my home system is only worth around $4,000. I do not like my music real loud anymore, and I do not like my bass so loud that everything is bouncing around and vibrating.
With that said, we only picked our car up yesterday and my wife and I are very happy with the sound system provided in the new G. Listening to the music is very real and crisp. This system is perfectly fine for us, we are happy .

 

I don't believe that is what he is taking exception to. You might want to reread your post for tone and innuendo where you comment on his free time and on subjectivity, . In fact it's normal practice on here to post a reply or quote where one agrees with the author without further comment, just as I did earlier.

If you really want to add something substantial to this thread a little more decorum with others and slightly less hyperbole and cynicism in your attempts to discredit the SOW and it's creators would be helpful and more believable.

 

Got to hear the system, my opinions are as follows.
1. Very good system, not excellent or awesome but very good. Want more bass? Go to an aftermarket shop and prey he doesn't screw up your car's electronics installing a bigger and heavier sub.

2.Soundstage was in front of the driver instead of middle of the dash, I guess that can be fix with the balance adjustment.

3. As regards what high end equipment they used as a reference, Edmunds.com stated it involved Electrostatics...........hmmm......Martin Logans perhaps.......I guess its propietery,or maybe Feng can tell us.

4. Bose wise,I still say the Acura RL is Bose's best effort by a small margin. To those who buy this car with this system pop in a Steely Dan Cd and enjoy the freaking system.

5. Feng,where you going for a neutral sound or a "warm" sound with this system?

 

You again!. Still upsetting people and causing me headaches. We've got 45000 people to look after here and you Mr. RLampke are a little too much.

 

Oh.......I don't know RLampke.
1. Why does Krell use MartinLogan to voice their amps when they have a line of their own speakers?
2. Why does Bryston use other loudspeakers when voicing their amps instead of PMC monitors that they are closely affiliated with?

For the umpteenth time RLamp,the home Bose stuff is not geared toward your true audiophiles. I should know,along with my high end gear, I have the 321GS in the bedroom and wave radio at work. There are no comparision in sound quality (.....Feng for the love of....please email your coworkers on the home side and tell them to add some watts to the 321GS the compression kicking halfway up the volume is pathetic,the same goes for the Lifestyle system too....)

Back on topic........the SOW is a very good system........We do not know the limitations Feng and his coworkers had to work with to get the sound quality they have achieved (weight limitations,quality of the source unit,ie.). Its easy to say,"I can get the same quality with four aftermarket coaxials and aheadunit"...........No,you will not.

 

There are a lot of very sharp engineers over in the home division. But their business model seems to completely ignore the traditional audiophile crowd. If I were a businessman, why would I bother with a miniscule, fickle niche market that is obsessed with $150 wall outlets when there's a lot more profit in the huge middle of the market. Can the home guys design an outstanding loudspeaker targeted toward a smaller and more expensive market? I am sure they can, and I'm sure that no matter how good it was, some would still stick their nose up at it.

As far as your 321 system goes ... I have one in the kitchen and I haven't noticed the compression problem you have. What frequency range hits the compressor first? What type of program material? If it's the bass, you might just be sitting in the null of a room mode. If it's the midrange ... move the small speaker modules. If you think the unit is defective, just give service a call.

As far as the G35 goes, Infiniti has been putting their money and effort where their mouths are, as far as I'm concerned. What a fantastic car for $35k. I've driven the new IS (and every car in that market segment). I think that on the whole the Infinity folks got it right. What irks me is how condecending RLampke is about professionals in a business he knows very little about. Does he really think the Infiniti designer/planners are that stupid?

John Feng

 

Maybe it's not entirely fair, but that question is a little bit like asking why Ford doesn't benchmark a new sedan against their pickup trucks.

Bose home products are designed for a particular price point, performance and consumer group. The automotive systems Bose designs do not necessarily share the same targets (sometimes they can't). Second, the home system you refer to was chosen by the Infiniti G35 planner as a reference by which to judge other audio systems against. Third, Bose had nothing to do with the selection of that home system. It was strickly an Infiniti activity (for their use as a reference point). Quite frankly, we don't reference any home systems because our goal is ... well it's what we did at Avatar Studio in NYC - be faithful to the live event (assuming it's well recorded and mixed).

Finally, please don't misunderstand what it means to have a reference system. It does not automatically imply that the reference system is the best, or the idea. It is merely represents a point in audio performance space by which you can anchor your judgement of other systems (which may be better or worse).

John Feng

 

When you get really really good tickets to a concert, are they way off to the side of the hall or are they about 10 rows back and right in the middle. I go for the latter, and therefore I expect that lead singer to be pretty much in front of me (not off to the right of me). At symphony hall,the violins are to the left, violas are nearly straight ahead (slight right of center bias) and the cellos are clearly on the right side. If you like your lead soloist signficantly off to the right of center (the center of the dashboard is about 30 degrees off from straight ahead), I won't argue with you ... but the SOW is not designed to put her there on purpose. We could have, but we specifically didn't.

Not Martin Logan's, but I can't say what.

The Honda engineers who we worked with developing RL system also had a home-type reference system. It was nothing less than a cost is no object system. Beautifully done, extravagantly equiped. Best of all it was in a room that was professionally designed from the ground up as the ultimate listening room. Have you spent much time with the M45 surround system?

The problem with a car like the G35 is ... the background noise is not constant so if you designed for neutral when the car is not moving, it will sound thin at 45mph. If you design it to be warm and intimate at 45mph, someone's going to feel it's muddy at rest. I may get into a little warm water for saying this but ... if I were to make any deviations from dead nuts accurate, it would be in favor of a little bit of warmth and intimacy. We don't deviate from accurate on purpose ... but how do you know how warm KD Lang's voice is supposed to be on any particular track? Were you there in the mixing room with the engineer saying, "ah, maybe a little thin, let's switch to a different microphone," because if not you simply do not know. Accurate might seem like it should be a space, but in reality it's more like a little smudge. Within that smudge there might be room for systems which are a tad warmer or cooler. Right?

Now I'm going to diverge a bit ... I have a lot of friends, very astute listeners, who still love that super laid back "British" sound. That's something you can easily achieve by knocking the energy between 120Hz and 240Hz down a good 6dB. But that's not accurate, and ... I really don't think it sounds better. That kind of a dip is often perceived as a very clean or neutral sound but it's actually an artificial clean/neutral that is deviating from what the artist and recording engineer intended. That is something we absolutely do not do.

John Feng