Studio on Wheels - Sound Impressions
Originally Posted by GEE35X
Hey, Good for you kring 
, I also find the system satisfactory for sure. It gives me the sound I like to hear , It is all a personal preference.
I tend to disregard some threads like this , especially when over 20 posts on this thread are by the same person who habitually seems to enjoy dissing stuff, not once but many times over on not just this thread but many of the threads he participates in on this forum.
, I also find the system satisfactory for sure. It gives me the sound I like to hear , It is all a personal preference.I tend to disregard some threads like this , especially when over 20 posts on this thread are by the same person who habitually seems to enjoy dissing stuff, not once but many times over on not just this thread but many of the threads he participates in on this forum.
Unfortunately I never had a listen to Colins M when I drove it.
Last edited by RBull; Dec 9, 2006 at 06:25 PM.
Originally Posted by Msedanman
+1 on all my Infinitis tho the M's 5.1 sounds best to me. I suppose it should with all its features and speakers. 
That doesn't diminish the quality of the other 2 I've had. I've liked them a lot.
Wayne, I quickly scanned for the 'offending' posts and could find only 10. These were quickly eliminated, but if you find any more 'clutter' -- let me know and I'll unclutter....
Enjoy the thread. I've not heard the SOW yet but look forward to the pleasure....I'm sure it's a delight.
Colin
That doesn't diminish the quality of the other 2 I've had. I've liked them a lot.
Wayne, I quickly scanned for the 'offending' posts and could find only 10. These were quickly eliminated, but if you find any more 'clutter' -- let me know and I'll unclutter....
Enjoy the thread. I've not heard the SOW yet but look forward to the pleasure....I'm sure it's a delight.
Colin
Geez I forget to listen to yours when I was there.
Thank you for your handiwork
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Originally Posted by RBull
I didn't have a lengthy listen but was about the best I've heard in a car audio system. More than adequate for my listening pleasure if I owned one these cars. Unfortunately I never had a listen to Colins M when I drove it.
Unfortunately I never had a listen to Colins M when I drove it.NP on the handiwork. It's nice to keep a clean house.
Deane, you may get that chance this coming spring.....
........fingers crossed.....woohoo..
C.
Originally Posted by Msedanman
+1 on all my Infinitis tho the M's 5.1 sounds best to me. I suppose it should with all its features and speakers.
That doesn't diminish the quality of the other 2 I've had. I've liked them a lot.
Wayne, I quickly scanned for the 'offending' posts and could find only 10. These were quickly eliminated, but if you find any more 'clutter' -- let me know and I'll unclutter....
Enjoy the thread. I've not heard the SOW yet but look forward to the pleasure....I'm sure it's a delight.
Colin
That doesn't diminish the quality of the other 2 I've had. I've liked them a lot.
Wayne, I quickly scanned for the 'offending' posts and could find only 10. These were quickly eliminated, but if you find any more 'clutter' -- let me know and I'll unclutter....
Enjoy the thread. I've not heard the SOW yet but look forward to the pleasure....I'm sure it's a delight.
Colin
You will have to try ours out when we get together once the nicer weather gets here.
We all appreciate the de-cluttering C, it definitely makes it easier to see everyones opinions.
Originally Posted by Msedanman
NP on the handiwork. It's nice to keep a clean house.
Deane, you may get that chance this coming spring.....
........fingers crossed.....woohoo..
C.
Deane, you may get that chance this coming spring.....
........fingers crossed.....woohoo..
C.
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Originally Posted by GEE35X
Hey Colin your car is one of the reasons we got the itch to get our new car. Your M with all it's bells and whistles and great sound system planted the seeds.
You will have to try ours out when we get together once the nicer weather gets here.
We all appreciate the de-cluttering C, it definitely makes it easier to see everyones opinions.
You will have to try ours out when we get together once the nicer weather gets here.
We all appreciate the de-cluttering C, it definitely makes it easier to see everyones opinions.
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Originally Posted by feng
When you get really really good tickets to a concert, are they way off to the side of the hall or are they about 10 rows back and right in the middle. I go for the latter, and therefore I expect that lead singer to be pretty much in front of me (not off to the right of me). At symphony hall,the violins are to the left, violas are nearly straight ahead (slight right of center bias) and the cellos are clearly on the right side. If you like your lead soloist signficantly off to the right of center (the center of the dashboard is about 30 degrees off from straight ahead), I won't argue with you ... but the SOW is not designed to put her there on purpose. We could have, but we specifically didn't.
Not Martin Logan's, but I can't say what.
The Honda engineers who we worked with developing RL system also had a home-type reference system. It was nothing less than a cost is no object system. Beautifully done, extravagantly equiped. Best of all it was in a room that was professionally designed from the ground up as the ultimate listening room. Have you spent much time with the M45 surround system?
The problem with a car like the G35 is ... the background noise is not constant so if you designed for neutral when the car is not moving, it will sound thin at 45mph. If you design it to be warm and intimate at 45mph, someone's going to feel it's muddy at rest. I may get into a little warm water for saying this but ... if I were to make any deviations from dead nuts accurate, it would be in favor of a little bit of warmth and intimacy. We don't deviate from accurate on purpose ... but how do you know how warm KD Lang's voice is supposed to be on any particular track? Were you there in the mixing room with the engineer saying, "ah, maybe a little thin, let's switch to a different microphone," because if not you simply do not know. Accurate might seem like it should be a space, but in reality it's more like a little smudge. Within that smudge there might be room for systems which are a tad warmer or cooler. Right?
Now I'm going to diverge a bit ... I have a lot of friends, very astute listeners, who still love that super laid back "British" sound. That's something you can easily achieve by knocking the energy between 120Hz and 240Hz down a good 6dB. But that's not accurate, and ... I really don't think it sounds better. That kind of a dip is often perceived as a very clean or neutral sound but it's actually an artificial clean/neutral that is deviating from what the artist and recording engineer intended. That is something we absolutely do not do.
John Feng
Not Martin Logan's, but I can't say what.
The Honda engineers who we worked with developing RL system also had a home-type reference system. It was nothing less than a cost is no object system. Beautifully done, extravagantly equiped. Best of all it was in a room that was professionally designed from the ground up as the ultimate listening room. Have you spent much time with the M45 surround system?
The problem with a car like the G35 is ... the background noise is not constant so if you designed for neutral when the car is not moving, it will sound thin at 45mph. If you design it to be warm and intimate at 45mph, someone's going to feel it's muddy at rest. I may get into a little warm water for saying this but ... if I were to make any deviations from dead nuts accurate, it would be in favor of a little bit of warmth and intimacy. We don't deviate from accurate on purpose ... but how do you know how warm KD Lang's voice is supposed to be on any particular track? Were you there in the mixing room with the engineer saying, "ah, maybe a little thin, let's switch to a different microphone," because if not you simply do not know. Accurate might seem like it should be a space, but in reality it's more like a little smudge. Within that smudge there might be room for systems which are a tad warmer or cooler. Right?
Now I'm going to diverge a bit ... I have a lot of friends, very astute listeners, who still love that super laid back "British" sound. That's something you can easily achieve by knocking the energy between 120Hz and 240Hz down a good 6dB. But that's not accurate, and ... I really don't think it sounds better. That kind of a dip is often perceived as a very clean or neutral sound but it's actually an artificial clean/neutral that is deviating from what the artist and recording engineer intended. That is something we absolutely do not do.
John Feng
When you speak of "British sound" are you speaking of "PRAT" (Pace,Rythmn and Timing)? Many Linn and Naim owners believe this. It a natural sound, not focusing on soundsage or dept. If your toe is not tapping, its not PRAT. As I have gotten older, I kind of agree with this concept.
As regards to catering to "audiophiles",it depends on your business plan. I don't think your customers Porsche or Ferrari are foolish for catering a select and small clientle,do you Feng? I did not think so. By the way,why does Bose not market the Westborough speaker they sell in Japan ( some with real tweeters I might add) here in the states? I am not criticizing Bose for catering to the masses....good for you and your company. I digress,we are getting off subject.
As regards the 321 issues I will PM.
On the subject on warmth or not,recording vary much from CD to CD. Feng uses KD Lang as an illustration for warmth,well try listening to Earth Wind and Fire latest album, warm it is not. So I guess it depends on recording or studio as you state.
Back to the subject, the SOW sounds very good and will satisfy the majority of buyers,so enjoy it.
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Originally Posted by ABQ_G35
OhOh, you're going by Colin buying a car, you may only have your '07 for a short time!
For sure I'll have no regrets on owning cars: I won't have missed many.
Besides, buying cars is cheaper than buying houses.....
You got those guest 'Guest Quarters' weather proofed yet for a fireman's visit? -- or have I got to bring my own tent?
C.
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Originally Posted by Msedanman
Well, Tom, we're only on this earth a "short time" aren't we?.. It's all relative.
For sure I'll have no regrets on owning cars: I won't have missed many.
Besides, buying cars is cheaper than buying houses.....
You got those guest 'Guest Quarters' weather proofed yet for a fireman's visit? -- or have I got to bring my own tent?
C.
For sure I'll have no regrets on owning cars: I won't have missed many.
Besides, buying cars is cheaper than buying houses.....
You got those guest 'Guest Quarters' weather proofed yet for a fireman's visit? -- or have I got to bring my own tent?
C.
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Semantics and real differences
Originally Posted by longhorn
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When you speak of "British sound" are you speaking of "PRAT" (Pace,Rythmn and Timing)? Many Linn and Naim owners believe this. It a natural sound, not focusing on soundsage or dept. If your toe is not tapping, its not PRAT. As I have gotten older, I kind of agree with this concept.
When you speak of "British sound" are you speaking of "PRAT" (Pace,Rythmn and Timing)? Many Linn and Naim owners believe this. It a natural sound, not focusing on soundsage or dept. If your toe is not tapping, its not PRAT. As I have gotten older, I kind of agree with this concept.
When you play a stereo system that has a little bit less upper-bass sensitivity, most of my audiophile friends will say,"oh, that has more clarity," or, " the midrange is really clean." But it's inaccurate.
Originally Posted by longhorn
As regards to catering to "audiophiles",it depends on your business plan. I don't think your customers Porsche or Ferrari are foolish for catering a select and small clientle,do you Feng? I did not think so. By the way,why does Bose not market the Westborough speaker they sell in Japan ( some with real tweeters I might add) here in the states? I am not criticizing Bose for catering to the masses....good for you and your company. I digress,we are getting off subject.
Perhaps there is a market for them in the US, but this is something for our HE marketing group to figure out.
Catering to audiophiles: the Porsche analogy is very poor, IMHO. Audiophile products can easily cost 10x to 50x mass market devices. Porsches and even Ferrari's don't have that kind of multiplier over mass market sports cars. A better analogy might be to ask if a company can make a profit if their sole product were Bugatti. Secondly, the audiophile product market is chock full of very expensive devices which do not do anything (e.g. do not change the acoustic output that reaches your ears). I'm not aware that Porsche or Ferrari charge large amounts of money for options that don't do anything.
Originally Posted by longhorn
On the subject on warmth or not,recording vary much from CD to CD. Feng uses KD Lang as an illustration for warmth,well try listening to Earth Wind and Fire latest album, warm it is not. So I guess it depends on recording or studio as you state.
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I mean no disrespect ...
Originally Posted by Railgunner
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Of course my 129.00 PC speakers have better bass than the SOW because I can adjust the sub separately.
Of course my 129.00 PC speakers have better bass than the SOW because I can adjust the sub separately.
Originally Posted by Railgunner
My question is, was it worth it? Was the money Bose saved on a 3 band EQ or a bass boost button really worth it? You've ended up with a lot of people who think the system sucks, some of whom may decide not to buy the car because of it. In other words, what you think does not really matter. It's what the public thinks that matters.
As far as giving people what they want, I will absolutely not give "people" (this small minority of people who think the SOW sucks) what they want ... if what they want is not a reasonably accurate reproduction of the music.
Originally Posted by Railgunner
If the public decides it loves pitch shifters because they love vocals that sound like Donald Duck, and car makers respond by putting a pitch shift button on all their systems, but you don't because it's not "accurate" then don't be suprized to see posts that your system sucks because you can't shift the pitch.
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Here is my impression...
I picked up my Sport AT with Premium/Nav/Splashguards on Saturday...have only driven it 30 miles since then. Below is what I wrote in another thread:
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I am not a musician or serious audiophile by any stretch of the imagination. With that caveat, I will say that I am blown away by the Studio on Wheels. Plus, when I got the car home and my wife sat in it, she immediately said that she just couldn't believe how great the sound system is (I had not told her anything about the SoW).
During my 30 miles of driving today, I listened to the SoW for probably 45 minutes and listened to several types of music ranging from holiday songs to hard rock to hip-hop. The sound is extremely rich and crisp and the bass is outstanding. I realize other posters have complained about a lack of bass, but I thought there was plenty and could really not imagine needing or wanting more (even for club/dance/rap music).
For me, the sound quality was shockingly impressive. Plus, as the volume is turned up, there is zero distortion. So I highly recommend the SoW on its merits alone...when I further consider that its portion of the Premium Package cost is realistically under $1,000 I feel it represents a tremendous value as well.
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I am not a musician or serious audiophile by any stretch of the imagination. With that caveat, I will say that I am blown away by the Studio on Wheels. Plus, when I got the car home and my wife sat in it, she immediately said that she just couldn't believe how great the sound system is (I had not told her anything about the SoW).
During my 30 miles of driving today, I listened to the SoW for probably 45 minutes and listened to several types of music ranging from holiday songs to hard rock to hip-hop. The sound is extremely rich and crisp and the bass is outstanding. I realize other posters have complained about a lack of bass, but I thought there was plenty and could really not imagine needing or wanting more (even for club/dance/rap music).
For me, the sound quality was shockingly impressive. Plus, as the volume is turned up, there is zero distortion. So I highly recommend the SoW on its merits alone...when I further consider that its portion of the Premium Package cost is realistically under $1,000 I feel it represents a tremendous value as well.
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Well I started a poll at https://g35driver.com/forums/g35-sedan-v36-2007-08/129676-how-do-you-like-your-sow.html just to get an idea how owners really feel about their SOW.
