Anyone know the Stillen intake CARB site or the HKS Ti street legal doc?
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Originally Posted by V35 Skyline GT
Another thread on this same subject said to stay away from Fremont one and go to Alameda one. Think we know why now. Those guys in Fremont are either dumb or like to yank ppl's chains. Damn that sux, oem has 4 cats...uhh I don't think so 
and HKS is a cat-back exhaust...uhh...hello state ref no E0# needed 
and HKS is a cat-back exhaust...uhh...hello state ref no E0# needed
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Originally Posted by Andy2434
WTF, Ken? What does the HKS exhaust have to do with the car's emissions? You have the OEM cats on, right? 
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Originally Posted by Andy2434
WTF, Ken? What does the HKS exhaust have to do with the car's emissions? You have the OEM cats on, right?
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07-15-2008, 07:14 PM
Originally Posted by kenempireex
don't go to the one in Fremont!!!!!! I just talked to the supervisor and they said I NEED TO HAVE E0# for my exhaust, everything else is BAD part
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07-15-2008, 07:16 PM
Originally Posted by kenempireex
That's what I told them. The supervisor said, "So what? Who said so? I have 15 yrs experience. No EO, not legal." He started to mute his phone when i was trying to talk my way through. Man...I wish there are lawyers who know these **** and tell these ***** to stfu.
There you go, who said so.. There must be a rule somewhere that muffler does not need EO number. Is there such written rule exists?
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Originally Posted by nimdivino
There you go, who said so.. There must be a rule somewhere that muffler does not need EO number. Is there such written rule exists?
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HKS responds and said the law does not require to have EO number for anything after the CAT. but if they are stubborn, there is nothing you can do except to fight in the court or change the setup.
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anyone know the CA law? G35 Chippie??? HKS said EO number is not required for anything after the CATS by Law.
And apparently, they think a car should have 4 cats for OEM setup? Is that even possible? they probably misinterputing one set of the OEM parts? what is it? I really want to rib these on their faces
And apparently, they think a car should have 4 cats for OEM setup? Is that even possible? they probably misinterputing one set of the OEM parts? what is it? I really want to rib these on their faces
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07-15-2008, 07:40 PM
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07-15-2008, 07:41 PM
BOOOOOYS HERE'S OUR TICKET. I hope...
http://www.cent-21.com/laws/exhaust-us.htm
Q2. Aren't all exhaust system modifications prohibited?
No. Section 27151 VC prohibits the modification of the exhaust system to amplify or increase the noise emitted by the vehicle, making the vehicle not in compliance with Section 27150 VC or exceeding the noise limits established in Sections 27201-27206 VC. Section 27151 VC does not prohibit all modifications to an exhaust system. It also does not prohibit all modifications that increase the noise level of the exhaust system over that of the original, factory installed exhaust system (as it did until 1980) It only prohibits modifications that result in a noise level higher than those specified in Sections 27201-27206 VC. Accurately determining compliance with Sections 27201-27206 VC for enforcement purposes is generally impractical. Enforcement personnel must make an informed professional evaluation to determine if excessive noise statutes are being violated.
I'm printing this right now. This should help.
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http://www.cent-21.com/laws/exhaust-us.htm
Q2. Aren't all exhaust system modifications prohibited?
No. Section 27151 VC prohibits the modification of the exhaust system to amplify or increase the noise emitted by the vehicle, making the vehicle not in compliance with Section 27150 VC or exceeding the noise limits established in Sections 27201-27206 VC. Section 27151 VC does not prohibit all modifications to an exhaust system. It also does not prohibit all modifications that increase the noise level of the exhaust system over that of the original, factory installed exhaust system (as it did until 1980) It only prohibits modifications that result in a noise level higher than those specified in Sections 27201-27206 VC. Accurately determining compliance with Sections 27201-27206 VC for enforcement purposes is generally impractical. Enforcement personnel must make an informed professional evaluation to determine if excessive noise statutes are being violated.
I'm printing this right now. This should help.
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07-15-2008, 07:51 PM
So I guess the story will go something like this on friday (I really hope not)
Tech: Sorry sir, you need to have an EO number for your muffler:
Me: Ah okay, but can you show me in the rule book that I need to have a an EO number for the muffler?
Tech: Sorry sir, I don't have that.
Me: Okay, well according to VC 27151 (gives him a copy of the code) "No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified."
"For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment."
Tech: ah you did your homework. Here's your certificate of compliance. Have good day. Enjoy your muffler..
Me:
hahahaha
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Tech: Sorry sir, you need to have an EO number for your muffler:
Me: Ah okay, but can you show me in the rule book that I need to have a an EO number for the muffler?
Tech: Sorry sir, I don't have that.
Me: Okay, well according to VC 27151 (gives him a copy of the code) "No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified."
"For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment."
Tech: ah you did your homework. Here's your certificate of compliance. Have good day. Enjoy your muffler..
Me:
hahahaha
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