I'm just trying to level the playing field, remember they drew first blood. If you need to, go back and read the $29 Crawford Spacer thread (hint SNAKE OIL). It's all there as clear as day.

Im happy to hear that 1/2 spacer will work with my set up. Thanks for clearing that up Copbait.

I'm pretty sure I've been thru the $29 thread even tho I can't find it right now...was it deleted? You said "they" drew blood. I don't remember Doug drawing blood. I remember some overzealous folks who like many will stand by thier mods no matter what that asked some tough questions. Doug actually tested the spacer theory with poor results - on his car. That may have been thrown out there in that thread but he did his test and made his conclusions over a year ago long before the Motordyne came out. Again there are some very adamant folks out there. I believe they live to promote crawford becasue he has offered good products and not because they are his PR dept. He was the first one to offer a high level of improvement to HP without spending THAT much $. He does add 40 hp with his total package, although pricey. Because people slam others mods doesn't make it a conspiracy. I would ignore those that stand by thier mods as the only possible mod that should ever be considered for any G. They are out to prove themselves as whatever. I pay attention to those that are objective - and I don't neccessarily play the objective game all the time myself..but I sure do learn from those who don't worry about making mistakes or being outperformed. They are the minority. Saying I have this mod and it's better without context or proof is absurd but it happens 100 times a day. It's as bad as the folks who say - "no mods are proven worthy and all dynos ever done and all research ever performed is all wrong." How about lets everyone, read, learn, apply, analyze, tweak, report objectivly. When we start trashing vendors who have been around for 20 years and obvisouly know what they are doing engineering wise I think everyone gets led astray and the real meat becomes hard to find when a newbie or anyone tries to glean what the frick going on around here. Maybe we can start an "objective positions only" board. That would be the place to go for real info and the rest can go to the bulling and subjective unproven hype board where the kids can beat each other up about who has 2 more hp than the other guy or the "you need to throw out the results of your 500 car dyno day because it got sunny in the afternoon".

Crawford is no enemy. Some of his proponents may have some bias but how can you stop bias?

Bro, the spacer makes gains.
Drew has the same set up as you, hks exhaust, 1/2" spacer, ztube and kandn drop in.
The spacer and the v5 do the same thing, make power.
http://www.yellowg35.com/dyno3.html#andrew

It's your call if you want to shell out an extra two bills for something that does the same thing.

With the cash I saved on the spacer, I bought myself a set of test pipes.


And sixfive, I believe copbait paid for his spacer so it's not like he's on Tony's payroll nor is he sponsored by Motordyne engineering.

It seems that the crawford klan thinks Motordyne is sponsoring the whole state of California. If any of you think this is true, you need to die because you're just taking up space.

But I do agree with you, this back and forth bs needs to stop. But the crawford camp started all this sh*t, we're just doing our best to end it with some common sense.

$200+/- vs $400
Equal if not better gains with the spacer.

Here is post #3 in that thread on My350z by a Crawford employee:

http://my350z.com/forum/showpost.php...04&postcount=3

Copbait, I'm sure you are no rep of Motordyne whatsover; my points are only to compel some thought provocation.

I will not suggest that the comments you referenced are objective but as an enthusiast, that guy made his "mine is better comment" and had some basis for his representation since he actually had seen and been involved in (I believe) a spacer test while playing around with all kinds of alternative concepts.

I believe that 2 years ago, Doug thought he could sell more spacers and at better margins (plenums used to be welded by hand) as there would be double the demand for a lower cost, similarly effective mod. No duh, right. But he didn't and with the respect he deservedly garners, people will buy into his reasoning. That guy didn't swing any punches I haven't taken from 100 people for grounding gear and they never even tried it. So what! That comment can not be construed or maligned into a grand payrolled conspiracy to trash Hyrazine's product. I don't see it. Read Doug's posts if you really want to see the "Crawford" position. Posts like Doug's employee should't carry any more credibility when toned so subjectively than say - well anyone else who just owns the car.

I think most appreciate the spacer, it has some major differences from the plenum and for enthusiasts who like an clean engineered look of a polished plenum it's certainly still one of the best bang for buck mods and at double digit HP gains. Still People will be immature enough to proclaim "my mod is better and you blew your wad on something and I bought test pipes with my extra $" and the enthusiast folks will ignore such punkage and read the objective posts with facts.

I hope we get the same results with the spacer as the plenum and the that the spacer even with a seam added proves to be relaible. It's saving me $ next time I buy a VQ. So spacer buyers go show us the money with your cars on a dyno day and then we'll have more than the crap to read about what works. Is there any consensus on what the avg gains are - not peak? I keep hearing 8hp are you guys buying that or is it better?

Crawford can claim whatever they want and you can feel free to believe it, but if the best spacer effort they could muster is a stack of gaskets, it's no wonder why they saw no gains and gave up on the idea. Judging from the early success and results of the spacers, it appears they may have just over-engineered things here. At least that is what the independent testing has shown so far. Also, about 150 spacers were sold in a 4 week period, how many plenums went out the door during that period?

Anyway, I will still not hesitate to call someone out that is making silly claims with no evidence whatsoever. For example this latest goodie: "If you do not plan on modifying your headers, cats, exhaust, etc... get the spacer." Oh so if you have those mods the spacers are somehow ineffective? Amusing...

My point is simply this: As long as people continue to make unsubstantiated claims about the spacer and it's ineffectiveness (that the dynos have thus far disproven), then I will be here to offer the "other" viewpoint that the spacer has been proven effective, a viewpoint that is actually supported by independent dynos.

So keep the bogus claims coming in, and I will keep responding

Your claims about Doug Stewart are bogus claims. This guy is just to busy to play the games you say he does. Give him a call like I said and tell him what you really think.
Its funny but you have trashed this guy on your posts and you do not know him.
You are setting the stage here about facts. Just call him. You are working off second hand information. Dude wake up back up your claims. Damn you are a hard worker. But are you getting anything done? Beside me apply your effort is something positive . PS IM A Crawford klan man. Be a Man and talk to Doug. I will PM his number to you (Bonehead)

What exactly have I claimed about Doug personally? Please elaborate...

guys let me solve this once and for all....

"mine is bigger than both of you" heheheheh (well actually I finally listened to my wife, and apparently all these years I thought she was saying "You have a big dick" she was actually saying "You ARE a big dick".....)

Lighten up guys,
Face it - even if we all proved and agreed that both mods offered identical results, there would still be the same feelings on both sides. Just like there are a number of exhuasts available, and number of wheels, and so on.

Granted, when this all started. There was some 'aggresive' remarks about the spacer being junk by some who I am sure felt it was a true statement.

The dyno's have proven it is a very effective mod... I don't think anyone denies that at this point. Still some will prefer the crawford solution, some may choose Kinetix, or the AAM Spacer, and so on....

What is the big deal ? My god if everyone hasn't said all they have to say by now...

As far as reliability, or the comment that the 'extra seam' will/may cause problems... well that is a reach at best. Given the number of gaskets, seals, and seams already in the intake path, and the way this is done/engineered... it just isn't an issue. Again, it still may be a preference of some to avoid that, just as some want to avod not being able to put the engine cover back on.

Dude Neff admitted that Doug was pushing him in that other thread, and Crawford is one of his sponsors. Please do some more reading before you post and look as clueless as you appear.

Haha, you're a trip man. I really don't think there is much for Doug and I to talk about, or even for you and I for that matter. I have made my points, and you have attempted something but I'm still not sure what. Anyway enjoy your plenum and I'll enjoy my spacer, crony

I don’t want to upset anybody but um I like both performance products and I got to give a hand to both of you guys for putting time and effort for improving the G35's potential power. Can I vent real quick? No hard feeling to anyone intended. There is a war outside the U.S. and we still continue to find a way to start more wars. Why can't we all just get along people? Yeah,,, easier said then done. Who I’m I fooling. We all want our Sexy G35 to have great performance and look good, right!? The bickering back and forth bull****, "My Red power ranger will kick your Blue power rangers ***" is ignorant childish foreplay! It will get you nothing but a badge of ignorance. Grow up! We, or at least some of us are not children anymore, ergo Name calling, not necessary! Here is some advise towards the individuals that are totally F*ckin bias, running their mouth and that truly believe their piece of element is the bread winner of all. Open Mouth insert exhaust fumes. That advise will definitely benefit people like my self that want the pleasure to experiment w/ different performance products. I’m not trying to be rude Rich dude, "Phone call this, phone call that", how about shut up and take it to the track! That’s what the drag stripes for! To resolve problems like this one! correct me if I’m wrong, numbers don’t mean **** also bias remarks! Okay, lets play a little game called guess who is being ignorant towards other performance competitors that play fair, ill give you a hint. "If you do not plan on modifying your headers, cats, exhaust, etc... get the spacer." No hard feeling dude. Okay I’m pretty sure we got some winners. It all boils down to beliefs and disbeliefs. Satisfied with Crawford? Fine! Satisfied with spacers? Fine! Be stern in what you believe in, but don’t be ignorant about it. You don’t see people on ijen's pay role making remarks that HKS sucks. If you want to hate me, Hate me! that’s just my 2cents! At least some of us here act our age.