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Old 10-10-2007 | 11:55 AM
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Brakes New radar that defeats Valentine-1?

Here's a new one that should scare the hell out of you. I was proceeding to make a turn onto the street in front of my kid's school (Fairway and Colima in Rowland Heights) when I noticed two Los Angeles Sheriff cruisers sitting in the parking lot on the other side of the street. I instantly set off their "visual profiling" system and one of the deputies stepped out into the street and held up a rectangle binocular looking device (ala luke skywalker in star wars) as I drove by.

He continued to paint me as I signaled to move into the center turn lane to enter the school (about 25 yds away) I was not speeding. But my valentine did not so much as blink, and there were no cars between me and the sheriff.

It may not even be a radar unit, it could be a range finding device that calculates distance and then extrapolates the speed? He did paint me for a good 15 to 30 seconds before losing interest and walking back onto the sidewalk laughing with buddies.

After dropping off the kids, I drove back down and turned into the lot they were in and parked right next to them. It looked like this was a training day on using the "binoculars". A school staff person said they had asked permission to camp out and catch speeders. I don't know what the unit is that they have, but it defeats the valentine totally. Unfortunately, they were talking together outside the car so my scanner was of no use and the traffic noise covered their huddled discussions.

The unit is black, with no cords and it measured roughly 6" wide, 2" tall and about 5" long. They pulled over 2 cars in the 15 minutes I was watching them. I left my valentine running and I was parked 2 spots away from them the whole time... V1 was set to "A"... car angled at them (slightly) with doors open and no cars between us.

I have looked online and cannot find anything that looks like it.

 

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Old 10-10-2007 | 12:07 PM
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lol, damn i hate that "visual profiling system"!
 
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Old 10-10-2007 | 12:10 PM
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i wonder how well that method holds up in court. if they calculate distance traveled vs time to get speed.
 
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Old 10-10-2007 | 12:15 PM
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^what are your thoughts on how it wouldn't?
 
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Old 10-10-2007 | 12:20 PM
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Funny you mention this, and YES this is scary...

I recently read that the University Of Florida IS developing a new technology that uses standard viewing devices like binoculars and video cameras that can read a vehicles speed by calculating it against a stationary object IE tree, light pole, lane dividers. This technology would be completely undetectable by radar/laser detectors. Its revolutionary and in testing stages from what I hear, and bad news for radar-detecting companies for sure.

I DIDN'T MAKE THIS UP. I believe there was a similar article on Engadget back in 05 so its been almost 3 years now...it may be hitting the streets now!

I dont even own a radar, I just rely on my god given instincts and so far so good. LOL

CAN ANYONE VOUCH FOR THIS????
 

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Old 10-10-2007 | 12:27 PM
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Ya, and as we all now... the LASD is the prime tester for all military cross over applications and new technologies.

seriously.. they have a department specifically for this. It's called the LASD Technology Exploration Unit.
 
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Old 10-10-2007 | 12:29 PM
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I saw a video a while back where the cops were using some device that they point at a vehicle even from far away they would know how fast you were going,way before your radar goes all crazy on you...

I guess i would be selling my X50 to purchase a rectangular binocular looking device detector lol
 
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Old 10-10-2007 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by izmir41500
i wonder how well that method holds up in court. if they calculate distance traveled vs time to get speed.
They might have designated streets that are already known to traffic enforcement how many ft that particular stretch of road is. Im guessing there would be a timer in that binocular looking device and it starts the count with a press of a button. The officer just follows the car with binocular looking device and then when the calculated distance is over, he stops the count, then does his calculations, or maybe the device is programmed to do the calculation for them since i think it would be hard for the to convert ft-mile and second-hour.

I think that would be a legit poof.
 
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Old 10-10-2007 | 12:46 PM
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Do some research. By Law there are only certain devices that a cop can use to calculate your speed. If that device is not listed then that evidence can be thrown out. It is up to the police to enforce the law, but it is also their duty to enforce it in an ethical manner.
 
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Old 10-10-2007 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Klubbheads
They might have designated streets that are already known to traffic enforcement how many ft that particular stretch of road is. Im guessing there would be a timer in that binocular looking device and it starts the count with a press of a button. The officer just follows the car with binocular looking device and then when the calculated distance is over, he stops the count, then does his calculations, or maybe the device is programmed to do the calculation for them since i think it would be hard for the to convert ft-mile and second-hour.

I think that would be a legit poof.
Yea, thats what I read, it said that the software allows ordinary video cameras to determine a vehicle's speed by recording its progress past fixed objects.
 
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Old 10-10-2007 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by silver g
Do some research. By Law there are only certain devices that a cop can use to calculate your speed. If that device is not listed then that evidence can be thrown out. It is up to the police to enforce the law, but it is also their duty to enforce it in an ethical manner.
I agree....

BUT, im sure that after all the tests are performed that a law will be passed some time down the line. All it takes is TIME. It looks like this has been in the works since 05.
 
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Old 10-10-2007 | 12:51 PM
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hey ted, long time no see! that is really unsettling. i havent heard anything about it.
 
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Old 10-10-2007 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by silver g
Do some research. By Law there are only certain devices that a cop can use to calculate your speed. If that device is not listed then that evidence can be thrown out. It is up to the police to enforce the law, but it is also their duty to enforce it in an ethical manner.
Not true, The cop does NOT need any kind of evidence besides the copy of the ticket to get the judge to believe that u are guilty if u are under the age of 30.

https://g35driver.com/forums/lounge-off-topic/145266-had-trial-speeding.html
 
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Old 10-10-2007 | 12:53 PM
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What you experienced is a LIDAR unit. LIDAR is the new, RADAR is the old. Most agencies have completely switched to LIDAR. RADAR uses radio waves to calculate speed based on the momentum (compression / stretch) change in the radio waves it sends out. These can be detected by the units you guys use in your vehicles. Additionally, when an officer is using radar, the unit consistently sends out these waves even when the officer is not actively pointing the unit, this allows your RADAR detecter to detect the waves prior to the officer getting your speed. Now that your educated on that, let me give you the bad news.

LIDAR is very very different than radar. Instead of radio waves, a LIDAR unit uses an invisible laser to "paint" your vehicle. Based on the reflection of the light, it also calculates your momentum towards the unit giving the officer not only the speed of the target, but the distance it was acquired at (ie 75mph @ 755.5 ft away). Another big difference between LIDAR and RADAR is LIDAR is target specific. While using LIDAR, you point the reticule directly at a vehicle (even if the vehicle is traveling in a large pack) and you can obtain ONLY that vehicles speed. This eliminates the defense of "it was the car next to me that gave you the reading" The beam width of a LIDAR at 1000 ft is 2ft wide<<<thats how specific it is.

To make a long story short, RADAR detecters are / or should be obsolete. If you get a LIDAR ticket they are very very hard to fight. Hope this answers your question.
 
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Old 10-10-2007 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Klubbheads
Not true, The cop does NOT need any kind of evidence besides the copy of the ticket to get the judge to believe that u are guilty if u are under the age of 30.

https://g35driver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145266
Isn't it also true that once you sign that TICKET, you are agreeing to the cops take on what happened, which can be an admission of guilt already?

anyone know?
 


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