Another Church Automotive/UpRev-Osiris Tune
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11-29-2007 | 10:17 PM
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From: OC - So Cal
Another Church Automotive/UpRev-Osiris Tune
*thread is summarized in this post - follow up posts below dyno charts (it makes the post long, but I think it sums it all up well - for future "searchers")...
Thanks Shawn Church – Thanks Uprev!
Got my Osiris Tune today by Shawn!!! 4 maps - 1) econo tune (can run 89, but never will - eventual new owner might like to though) 2) 91 performance made 270hp & 250+ trq (I think) 3) race gas tune 275.1hp and 255.4 trq 4) valet mode
gained 10.1 trq and 18.9 hp from baseline - baseline however was TS reflash... I previously dyno's 270.9hp and 248.3 trq at Shawn's shop... but that was a couple of years ago…
I like the various maps – cool feature! Driving impressions? Not sure yet – I’ve only driven around the block and only in race gas mode. I will be taking it to the track this Sat – we’ll see how that goes on race gas.
I really wasn’t expecting a bunch of change from the TechnoSquare re-flash… but Shawn tweaked quite a bit with cam timing and of course ignition timing and A/F… So far I’m pleased – but like I said not much driving on it yet. I was hoping (but not expecting) to reach 280hp and 260 trq… my mid range trq has gone up and that’s something I’ve been chasing for a while so I’m relatively happy (not bad for an AT sedan I guess).
For anyone that is running on stock ECU I definitely recommend! Osiris has all to offer that the TS does + the various maps. Shawn is tremendous! Great guy, extremely knowledgeable and very experienced tuner. Obviously being a certified/licensed Uprev/Osiris vendor/tuner helps. (*note – this is not to say that TechnoSquare re-flash isn’t worth it, it definitely is too!)
I’ll post driving impressions somewhere down the road when I have a chance to do some spirited and econo runs. Since I don’t drive the car much it might take a while.
Attached are current dyno with Osiris and previous dyno with TS… the only mod differences are HFC, TBS and machined lower collector. I’m toying with the idea of cams & headers… if/when that happens, I think Shawn can squeeze a bit more!
Clearly it was two different days, so I guess the comparison numbers aren’t going to tell much. I jut thought I’d throw them both up for the helluvit.
(12/28/07)
Thanks Shawn Church – Thanks Uprev!
Got my Osiris Tune today by Shawn!!! 4 maps - 1) econo tune (can run 89, but never will - eventual new owner might like to though) 2) 91 performance made 270hp & 250+ trq (I think) 3) race gas tune 275.1hp and 255.4 trq 4) valet mode
gained 10.1 trq and 18.9 hp from baseline - baseline however was TS reflash... I previously dyno's 270.9hp and 248.3 trq at Shawn's shop... but that was a couple of years ago…
I like the various maps – cool feature! Driving impressions? Not sure yet – I’ve only driven around the block and only in race gas mode. I will be taking it to the track this Sat – we’ll see how that goes on race gas.
I really wasn’t expecting a bunch of change from the TechnoSquare re-flash… but Shawn tweaked quite a bit with cam timing and of course ignition timing and A/F… So far I’m pleased – but like I said not much driving on it yet. I was hoping (but not expecting) to reach 280hp and 260 trq… my mid range trq has gone up and that’s something I’ve been chasing for a while so I’m relatively happy (not bad for an AT sedan I guess).
For anyone that is running on stock ECU I definitely recommend! Osiris has all to offer that the TS does + the various maps. Shawn is tremendous! Great guy, extremely knowledgeable and very experienced tuner. Obviously being a certified/licensed Uprev/Osiris vendor/tuner helps. (*note – this is not to say that TechnoSquare re-flash isn’t worth it, it definitely is too!)
I’ll post driving impressions somewhere down the road when I have a chance to do some spirited and econo runs. Since I don’t drive the car much it might take a while.
Attached are current dyno with Osiris and previous dyno with TS… the only mod differences are HFC, TBS and machined lower collector. I’m toying with the idea of cams & headers… if/when that happens, I think Shawn can squeeze a bit more!
Clearly it was two different days, so I guess the comparison numbers aren’t going to tell much. I jut thought I’d throw them both up for the helluvit.
Originally Posted by OCG35
(11/30/07)
I had a spirited drive home (about 25miles) and the car feels good! Not major difference over TS flash, but a little better... something that is noticeable is below 3Krpm it's seems flat, but it revs quick and after 3K it pulls strong! It seems much more linear than previous... previously it pulled hard off idle, a little trq jolt around 2-2.5K... after mid range seemed to flatten out... I need more time with the car to get a better feel...
I had a spirited drive home (about 25miles) and the car feels good! Not major difference over TS flash, but a little better... something that is noticeable is below 3Krpm it's seems flat, but it revs quick and after 3K it pulls strong! It seems much more linear than previous... previously it pulled hard off idle, a little trq jolt around 2-2.5K... after mid range seemed to flatten out... I need more time with the car to get a better feel...
Originally Posted by OCG35
(12/1/07)
I need to go back... Shawn played with the throttle plate position (more open when ECU thinks it's less)... but it doesn't seem as "now" as the TS did... it could be that the lean state he tuned it to is pulling timing? I don't know, but I've driven it quite a bit today (street and fwy) and it's just lacking punch off idle and at WOT at various rolling speeds... in 5th at 70 or 80 when I drop it to 4th it doesn't have an immediate thrust like it did before - it's more of a gradual pull... Like the Infiniti "Wave of Acceleration" that they touted during the HR (07 sedan) marketing campaign... I'm all for continued acceleration - but I like the right now trq that I had before... Plus it seems like the shifts are slightly slower - upshift and downshift...
More driving to get better feel...
I need to go back... Shawn played with the throttle plate position (more open when ECU thinks it's less)... but it doesn't seem as "now" as the TS did... it could be that the lean state he tuned it to is pulling timing? I don't know, but I've driven it quite a bit today (street and fwy) and it's just lacking punch off idle and at WOT at various rolling speeds... in 5th at 70 or 80 when I drop it to 4th it doesn't have an immediate thrust like it did before - it's more of a gradual pull... Like the Infiniti "Wave of Acceleration" that they touted during the HR (07 sedan) marketing campaign... I'm all for continued acceleration - but I like the right now trq that I had before... Plus it seems like the shifts are slightly slower - upshift and downshift...
More driving to get better feel...
Originally Posted by Churchautotest
(12/1/07) Mike,
If you'd like some more low end we can add some timing in, but generally that's where you get some knock. In our experience (including on my formerly TS flashed 05 G35C) TS likes to run a lot of timing advance. Given that your torque converter doesn't let you spend much time below 3k rpm, I'd be more than happy to throw in a couple more deg down there and see if you like it. As always, there is never a charge for any follow up work.
SC
If you'd like some more low end we can add some timing in, but generally that's where you get some knock. In our experience (including on my formerly TS flashed 05 G35C) TS likes to run a lot of timing advance. Given that your torque converter doesn't let you spend much time below 3k rpm, I'd be more than happy to throw in a couple more deg down there and see if you like it. As always, there is never a charge for any follow up work.
SC
Originally Posted by OCG35
*** Update (12/13/07)… Shawn’s customer service is outstanding! After letting him know my concerns about low end and the lack of punch (as compared to the TS tune) he graciously agreed (here and in person) to plug in with Osiris and custom tune during spirited drives… The dyno tune wasn’t getting below 3K rmp were I was expecting…
Granted it’s only been ½ day since the re-tune/tweaked tune – but I couldn’t wait to express my complete satisfaction!!!! It ROCKS!! Thanks a bunch Shawn
Advancing the timing a bit down low, tweaking the cam angle a bit, tweaking throttle plate position in lower rmp – and whatever else Shawn did made a VERY noticeable difference!!!!! I have the low-end trq that I was missing, it pulls strong through the entire rmp – my off idle launch is FUN! The car is what TS was and then some! I can truly say I am very pleased.
Clearly Osiris is versatile and able to get the most out of what the car is capable of. Additionally, Shawn is very impressive with his ability to hear what my concerns were (in complete layman’s avg guy driving terms) and dialed in exactly what was needed to make the car respond precisely how I expected (and in fact beyond expectation, actually got it to what I had “hoped" for).
A+++ for Osiris and Church automotive Testing!
BTW – I wasn’t able to get the car on the drag strip after previous tune, but next Thurs plan to get on 1/8 mile track… I’m confident that I will be satisfied with the results! But time will tell (literally ET).
Granted it’s only been ½ day since the re-tune/tweaked tune – but I couldn’t wait to express my complete satisfaction!!!! It ROCKS!! Thanks a bunch Shawn
Advancing the timing a bit down low, tweaking the cam angle a bit, tweaking throttle plate position in lower rmp – and whatever else Shawn did made a VERY noticeable difference!!!!! I have the low-end trq that I was missing, it pulls strong through the entire rmp – my off idle launch is FUN! The car is what TS was and then some! I can truly say I am very pleased.
Clearly Osiris is versatile and able to get the most out of what the car is capable of. Additionally, Shawn is very impressive with his ability to hear what my concerns were (in complete layman’s avg guy driving terms) and dialed in exactly what was needed to make the car respond precisely how I expected (and in fact beyond expectation, actually got it to what I had “hoped" for).
A+++ for Osiris and Church automotive Testing!
BTW – I wasn’t able to get the car on the drag strip after previous tune, but next Thurs plan to get on 1/8 mile track… I’m confident that I will be satisfied with the results! But time will tell (literally ET).
Originally Posted by OCG35
WOW!!!! Check this out…
Have you even seen you fuel gauge go UP?... And low fuel light goes off?... I’ve had the fuel light come on, then go off for maybe a few miles then come back on and stay on… but last night the light was on, then went off for over 20 miles! AND my fuel gauge went from almost empty to 2 notches above empty!
Let me explain…
Those that have followed my review know that I have econo map, 91 performance map, race gas performance map, valet map, and 2.5K rev launch map… The problem is I don’t drive the car often enough to get an average mpg in the econo and performance modes… A few days ago I went on a short trip (75 miles each way) and intended to get econo mpg on the way up and 91 perf mpg on the way back – I wasn’t able to get the actual mpg but I did use the 2 different maps (one each way) and was able to tell by the gauge that in fact the econo tune was getting better gas mileage (but how much of a diff, I couldn’t determine without averaging the mpg)…
So anyway, to explain first paragraph – last night I’m driving spirited (in 91 performance mode) entering fwy and gauge is dropping as it normally does when I get frisky… the low fuel light came on and like I said, the needle was almost on the last line (the thick “E” line) it was like this for 2 miles on flat straight freeway)… I changed maps to the econo tune hoping it would get me home without having to fuel up… within a mile or so not only did the light go off (and stayed off for more than 20 miles), but the needle went UP TWO NOTCHES!!!!
I always thought the fuel gauge was based on a sensor in the tank… But know I realize it also is tied into the ECU… the ECU must determine conditions and calculate fuel consumption to register fuel in the fuel gauge. I guess it’s not so bewildering considering the real time avg mpg used (in some cars) must be determined from engine speed and whatever else it calculates… but I was actually blown away to see the gauge go UP when I switched to econo mode.
So, even though I don’t know the actual mpg difference between the econo map and 91 performance map, I am positive (based on the two recent factors) that the econo mode is giving better gas mileage.
It might be boring to some, but I found it to be very interesting a cool! So now, not only does the Osiris let you go from ho hum less than spirited econo driving to yippee performance mode, and feel like you just modded your car… but it also lets you go from spirited modded fun to seemingly adding a couple gallons with a push of a couple buttons to econo on the fly!
Have you even seen you fuel gauge go UP?... And low fuel light goes off?... I’ve had the fuel light come on, then go off for maybe a few miles then come back on and stay on… but last night the light was on, then went off for over 20 miles! AND my fuel gauge went from almost empty to 2 notches above empty!
Let me explain…
Those that have followed my review know that I have econo map, 91 performance map, race gas performance map, valet map, and 2.5K rev launch map… The problem is I don’t drive the car often enough to get an average mpg in the econo and performance modes… A few days ago I went on a short trip (75 miles each way) and intended to get econo mpg on the way up and 91 perf mpg on the way back – I wasn’t able to get the actual mpg but I did use the 2 different maps (one each way) and was able to tell by the gauge that in fact the econo tune was getting better gas mileage (but how much of a diff, I couldn’t determine without averaging the mpg)…
So anyway, to explain first paragraph – last night I’m driving spirited (in 91 performance mode) entering fwy and gauge is dropping as it normally does when I get frisky… the low fuel light came on and like I said, the needle was almost on the last line (the thick “E” line) it was like this for 2 miles on flat straight freeway)… I changed maps to the econo tune hoping it would get me home without having to fuel up… within a mile or so not only did the light go off (and stayed off for more than 20 miles), but the needle went UP TWO NOTCHES!!!!
I always thought the fuel gauge was based on a sensor in the tank… But know I realize it also is tied into the ECU… the ECU must determine conditions and calculate fuel consumption to register fuel in the fuel gauge. I guess it’s not so bewildering considering the real time avg mpg used (in some cars) must be determined from engine speed and whatever else it calculates… but I was actually blown away to see the gauge go UP when I switched to econo mode.
So, even though I don’t know the actual mpg difference between the econo map and 91 performance map, I am positive (based on the two recent factors) that the econo mode is giving better gas mileage.
It might be boring to some, but I found it to be very interesting a cool! So now, not only does the Osiris let you go from ho hum less than spirited econo driving to yippee performance mode, and feel like you just modded your car… but it also lets you go from spirited modded fun to seemingly adding a couple gallons with a push of a couple buttons to econo on the fly!
Last edited by OCG35; 12-28-2007 at 07:50 PM.
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11-30-2007 | 03:42 AM
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11-30-2007 | 01:58 PM
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From: OC - So Cal
I forgot to tell Shawn about the shorter gears... 3.7 instead of 3.3, I don’t know if that skews the numbers - I'm pretty sure they calibrate based on gear ratio - I left a msg for Shawn to see if it makes a difference... I realize it makes no difference when tuning the ECU, but might with the numbers?
I had a spirited drive home (about 25miles) and the car feels good! Not major difference over TS flash, but a little better... something that is noticeable is below 3Krpm it's seems flat, but it revs quick and after 3K it pulls strong! It seems much more linear than previous... previously it pulled hard off idle, a little trq jolt around 2-2.5K... after mid range seemed to flatten out... I need more time with the car to get a better feel...
I had a spirited drive home (about 25miles) and the car feels good! Not major difference over TS flash, but a little better... something that is noticeable is below 3Krpm it's seems flat, but it revs quick and after 3K it pulls strong! It seems much more linear than previous... previously it pulled hard off idle, a little trq jolt around 2-2.5K... after mid range seemed to flatten out... I need more time with the car to get a better feel...
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11-30-2007 | 02:06 PM
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11-30-2007 | 02:09 PM
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From: OC - So Cal
Originally Posted by Augy
so do you recommend this over TS flash? or get both? how much did this set you back if you dont mind me asking.
If you are not near TS of Church Automotive, Osiris is a good choice because you don't need to send you ECU - you basically get the same thing that you can download on your own.
Someone else asked me how much it was in a PM, and I actually don’t even know... roughly $600 I think... each license is $300 + Shawn's tuning time... If you go though UpRev directly and get the software and cable & Cipher I think it's 700?....
You'd have to check the websites to get a firm quote.
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11-30-2007 | 03:33 PM
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11-30-2007 | 04:43 PM
Seeing that the Churches' Dynapack shows about 20-25whp more than the typical Dynojet, you're numbers are pretty strong for a 5AT.
Were the dynos done in 3rd or 4th? I've tested my 5AT on the street and I don't see how it's possible to dyno a 5AT in 4th because it will downshift into 3rd at any rpm under 4200rpms or so. At least with my car. In 3rd, I can nail it at 3300-3400rpms and it won't downshift.
Were the dynos done in 3rd or 4th? I've tested my 5AT on the street and I don't see how it's possible to dyno a 5AT in 4th because it will downshift into 3rd at any rpm under 4200rpms or so. At least with my car. In 3rd, I can nail it at 3300-3400rpms and it won't downshift.
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11-30-2007 | 05:11 PM
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From: OC - So Cal
Originally Posted by DaveB
Seeing that the Churches' Dynapack shows about 20-25whp more than the typical Dynojet, you're numbers are pretty strong for a 5AT.
Were the dynos done in 3rd or 4th? I've tested my 5AT on the street and I don't see how it's possible to dyno a 5AT in 4th because it will downshift into 3rd at any rpm under 4200rpms or so. At least with my car. In 3rd, I can nail it at 3300-3400rpms and it won't downshift.
Were the dynos done in 3rd or 4th? I've tested my 5AT on the street and I don't see how it's possible to dyno a 5AT in 4th because it will downshift into 3rd at any rpm under 4200rpms or so. At least with my car. In 3rd, I can nail it at 3300-3400rpms and it won't downshift.
(picked up the mean avg printout & A/F ratio today, haven't had time to scan)... apparently the car really likes slightly learn conditions down low... on race gas 14.5 till about 3500 then 14 to 4500 then between 13.5 and 14 to redline... on pump gas (91) 14.5 to 3500 then 14 to 4K then 13.5 to 5300 then flattens out at 13 to redline... Shawn tweaked and tweaked - that's what the car performed best at.Just goes to show that different mods, even same mods on different cars will react, well, different. This is the only drawback to the off-the-shelf maps you would get without going to a tuner... my car probably would not be optimal if I went with the fixed flashes... but I'm sure it's still good for many.
BTW, if you read the technical data on Shawn's website it addresses the percentage variation from dynojet... very detailed. And truly it's not always just a 20-25hp difference.
One thing I've concluded is that trq makes a BIG difference... I previously dyno'd on the same machine only 5 peak hp lower - but the car is MUCH stronger/faster now. The difference is my previous trq was quite a bit lower - particularly mean avg... Also I'm convinced that some mods don't necessarily result on dyno... case in point again, the car is definitely faster (even at the track) than it was 2.5 yrs ago - my butt dyno isn’t calibrated to give actual hp and trq numbers, but I don’t think I could notice 5hp or 10trq so much... however, I do notice undeniable difference in characteristics from 2 yrs ago... (if that made sense).
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11-30-2007 | 06:23 PM
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11-30-2007 | 07:04 PM
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From: OC - So Cal
Originally Posted by Dsskyline
How long did it take him to tune your car?
I plan on having him tune mine in Jan. I received a PM from Shawn today saying that he can tune a FI VQ with osiris.
I think he has tuned a vortech and turbo VQ with osiris. I don't know the gains though.
will post my results come jan.
I plan on having him tune mine in Jan. I received a PM from Shawn today saying that he can tune a FI VQ with osiris.
I think he has tuned a vortech and turbo VQ with osiris. I don't know the gains though.
will post my results come jan.
Let me know when you go there... one of the 2 locations I work out of is around the corner from Shawn... If you are there on a day I'm at that office maybe we can get lunch and I'll check out your tune...
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11-30-2007 | 10:38 PM
Originally Posted by App6MT
They are working on controlling a 600WHP Greddy TT with Osiris.
FI is coming, be patient
I am looking to use it to control my FI early next year.
FI is coming, be patient
I am looking to use it to control my FI early next year.Anyway church's shop is only 40min away from me so I might as well take advantage of it while I'm close
I'll post up the answers to the questions I sent Matt@uprev when I get them regarding FI.