Good news guys.

Looks like Gord finally has a new GroundingGear System developed for the 2007! In case you missed his post:

GroundingGear Review Thread

 

Make sure you do a DYNO test before and after so we can see the increases!!
Sounds like a simple mod that will add a lot!
Keep us posted.

 

im on it! but first do you guys know of any good dyno places in los angeles area? now that im past breakin period i gotta get this thing tested before i do any mods.

 

i would get grounding gear for throttle response more than anything else

 

ignorant question and i dont knwo if the answer was posted but, what is it? is it a chip like mod?

 

I would like to see some facts proving that these grounding cables provide some benefit over stock. It certainly can be measured in the form of resistance (ohms) or current. Even noise can be scoped for comparison.. yet there never seems to be any data on this. Snake oil ??

 

Yeah, it doesn't pass the "If it were this cheap and easy to improve power, economy, emissions, etc, why don't car makers do it themselves?" test.

 

all i know is that i had them on my last G and i could definetly tell a difference in more crisper shifts and better fuel economy.

 

I'm with the poster a ways up - I'd want to see someone throw an o-scope on these kits and see whether there is actually any effect here whatsoever.

Somehow I have a feeling this is just bizarre snake-oil, and as real as the results may "feel" - I'd be inclined to believe that the differences are purely subjective ("crisper" shifts and whatnot).

 

In a modern car like the G there will be a damn big ground wire already attatched to the engine block. Any more grounding wires are certainly Snake Oil unless the car gets struck by lightning. Adding more lines just creates ground loops and they are never good. That may be the "difference" people feel. Race cars just have a single good ground point for that reason.

 

I agree with the above comments, I have a hard time believing in this as well. I get the feeling that any perceived difference are subjective. People feel it because they want to feel it.

I just have a hard time believing this would make such a difference and wouldn't be done by the manufacturer. And, no, I've never tried this mod. But, I do work in the engine testing field, and am skeptical. If people want to spend the money and are happy with the "results", more power to them. I'm not gonna hate on them, even if I don't believe it.

 

I'm an engineer, I tend to skeptical of claims that are not repeatable and documented. But I would not write off the grounding kit as "snake oil" just yet. In a previous life I was a avid motorcyclist and my bike of choice the Honda VFR. Fantastic bike, but it has elecrical problems. Moust of the problems were traced back to pour grounds, loose slip-on electrical connections and corroded electrical connections.

Based off my VFR experience, electrical connections are variable and with time can work loose. Granted cars are not nearly as harsh an enviroment, but factor in manufacturing variances, and one could easily expect some cars to have poor grounds.

 

The point is that if the stock grounding strap is working correctly , then additional grounding or aftermarket grounding is not going to produce any benefits. Hence the snake oil claim

 

CarNutz,
I think we agree that a working ground is a working ground. My reservation, is that due to manufacturing variances, vibration, corrosion and other factors the electrical ground can become intermittent or fail. A grounding kit may provide a better ground and a redundancy that prevents this problem.

I wouldn't expect a new car to need one, but if I started having intermittent electrical problems I'd buy one (if I was off warranty).

 

Adding extra grounds is a waste of time and money IMO, but to each their own. Look up "cognitive dissonance" for kicks.

If there are issues with the factory grounds, just clean and repair them. The factory engineers designed the grounding scheme the way it is for good reasons, among which are immunity from interference and ground loops.

Cheers,
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