Hello Stil2Slow. Why thank you.

Again, check out the Product Data Sheets and you'll see. That's where you find out if an oil that talks the talk can really walk the walk.

Steve - Hi-Tech Oil Co.

 

I'll just throw this into the mix. I used to be in MLM and marketed Bi-Tron. I made some profit nothing to be proud of, but I was more into it for me and my personal use. I was never good at MLM anyways.

This is what I mean by third party validation:
http://www.bitronglobal.com/BTV.html

Although it's hosted on the bitron site, Business TV is the 3rd party validation that the company needed. I would probably fair better now if I was still with BiTron especially with the rising cost of oil, but I bought myself a good amount of surplus and I dont care to distribute them.

Edit:

Found thier website:
http://www.b-tv.com/s/Home.asp
and the link to bitron's documentary
http://www.b-tv.com/i/videos/bitronbtv.wmv

I havent seen anything about amsoil on their site either.

Damn...I may think about redistributing it (not the MLM part) and use these guys testimonials
http://www.bitronglobal.com/testmonial_racing.html

IMO, these guys are WAY more creditable than any distributor of any sort (me included).

 

So why did you feel a test that shows results on an old CHEVY 350 was necessary to post? Back in 1986 no less

http://www.getahelmet.com/jeeps/tech/syntheticoil/

 

ROYAL PURPLE 5w30. couldn't be happier.

 

I bet you could be if you actually performed a UOA on it

 

I've been extremely happy with redline (Group V polyol ester-based ).

 

Agreed. He be very surprised of what the results would be from it.

 

mobil 1 10w-30 since im down south and n/a.

 

Russ were you talking about Resolute? He's know his stuff

 

Well, I try not to be stupid, LOL.
I saw the sticky I made posted over here too, thought I should register and defend my intentions on it. Too bad I missed it when it got copied.

Will

edit: I guess you and Redlude are on both sites? G forum not as active or something?

 

I can believe he knows his stuff, but when he says M1 isn't a Group III then I am sorry that is plain wrong.

 

Dude probably knows more about oil than you. And I do believe his point wasn't the fact that Mobil isn't Grp IV. It's how they stack up on the analysis tests.

 

Actually if you read his posts over there, you will see he said M1 is not a Group III and is a PAO based which is false.

 

If you claim this, then the burden of proof is on you to prove it. You have yet to do so.

ALL of the M1 oils have a PAO base stock in them. Again, that should not even be question. How much of their base oils are comprised of PAO is up for debate, but NONE of them are a hydroisomerized, G3 oil. Blend of the two? Absolutely, PAO's have to be in a blend because they are horrible solvents.

I've given you some proof, you have shown me none. Opinions aren't evidence. If they were, then this thread would back me up since the majority backs up Mobil1, but I'm not that subjective of results. Hence, I posted actual data.

On the subject of this thread, I'm surprised so many use the M1 5W-30 and 10W-30 oils. For the money, there are better options. Not because of wild accusations with no proof about M1 not being a "true' synthetic, but because both of these blends have over eight UOA's apiece with only average results. They'll work just fine for your engine without issue, but for the six bucks a quart, I'd recommend at least the 0W-40 or Castrol Syntec 0W-30 weights. If you have to use a 5W-30 for whatever reason, and the options are only between the M1 or ASL... then the ASL is probably a better pick if you don't mind shelling out the money.

Will

 

I run the Mobil 5w30 because Walmart had 5 qts for around $22. When I run out, I was considering Penzoil Platinum but I think I remember seeing their TBN numbers not being great. Okay for my short change intervals but..