[QUOTE=HiTechOilCo]You're the one who does not READ!
I said I read all this stuff before!!!
Most motorists 'do see'? If most motorists 'see it' then they must be using Amsoil, right? WRONG!

Stop insulting everyone's intelligence on here. If we want to use Amsoil we will buy it. Not knocking the product, just the way you present it.
If it's not snake oil then don't sell it like it is. And if someone is not interested show some class and back off.
And don't quote a selection of engineering articles to impress everyone. Many of us are smarter than that. You are greatly underestimating your audience. Might try a forum on Automotive Basics 101.

 

[QUOTE=fortified] My good man, no one is insulting anyone, (at least I didn't think so), just attempting to provide you with factual data regarding high performing, true synthetic oils vs dead dino lubes, in general. That is the only thing I am presenting. So please, no need to go off the deep end.

 

[QUOTE=HiTechOilCo]Not going off the deep end. Just grandpa that told me if you the mule does not get it after two warnings it's time to pick up the 2 by 4!

 

No one is disputing how Amsoil performs vs other non-synthetics.

Fordified is saying for the vast majority of us, the miniscue benefits of using an oil that is 3x-4x higher is price isn't worth it. Especially if you are NA.

The Chevy 350 engine example is laughable. Modern computer controlled engines that are built to much higher tolerances won't contaminate nearly has fast as that Chevy 350 did.

Unless you have some quantifiable evidence for a Nissan VQ35 that shows using something like Amsoil vs a quality dino (changed at good intervals) is worth it, then post it up.

By the way, for the love of everything holy Hitech, learn how to freakin' quote correctly

 

Nicely put!
And for those of us who do use a syn (100% or not) they all meet or exceed mfr's requirements. To believe one brand is that much better than another is really splitting hairs. And the proof in real engine life/performance needs to be proven and not just in labs.
In all these decades the only thing that has been proven is if you use oil that does not meet mfr specs or you don't change it and the filter at regular intervals you can indeed hurt your engine.
No one is going to argue with that.
Sometimes you can oversell something and guarantee to drive people away.

 

whether it's synthetic or dino oil, clean oil is good oil. That is why auto manufacturers stress regular and scheduled oil and oil filter changes. those bearing test mean nothing to the average consumer. Those are for smokes and mirrors.

 

Oh on the contrary, there are substantial differences between oils, as you will see in the link below. Just as there are differences with any product, be it a vehicle, tires, brake pads, sound systems, a house, a television, a stereo, a phone, or what have you. Products are not all the same.

Click the link below and see the substantial differences in the various tests used to evaluate differing brands of motor oil. Enjoy!


http://www.amsoil.com/performancetests/g1971/index.aspx

 

The most objective tests are performed by independent labs not manufacturers.

Not saying the numbers are wrong, but what is the significance?

Here's an example I hope you can understand:

Let's say engineers determine an oil filter will clog in 10 hours if the oil has a concentration of 5,000 particles of silica to 1 quart of oil in the engine.
Lets say you lab test the oil in one car and find 2 particles of silica in one oil sample.
In another car, you find 4 particles of silica.
The second car has TWICE as many particles than the first!!!

Wow! Does that mean it will fail twice as fast? No, I don't think so!!
Against a 5,000 particles both numbers are insignificant!!!
But it's easy to draw a chart and show car B has twice as much contamination as car A, but how much is SIGNIFICANT?

Just imagine all the 100s of thousands of trouble-free miles folks put on many vehicles over many years and they did not use Amsoil. What a shock!!
Must be a miracle our cars could survive without it!!!

No offense, but I suspect a fair number of us 'older folks' on here knew about the difference between syns and non-syns before you knew how to drive.

 

Royal Purple

 

 

whats so funny

 

Thanks for stating the obvious. And I'd rather look at a site where there is third party validation. That's why i cited the links from Sport Rider Magazine.

This is one of the bearing test:


shows the regular dino oil out did amsoils motorcycle oil. could be due to that the gtx uses a friction modifier. but the principle of dino vs syn shows quite well here. again...smokes and mirrors.

 

and the diff between the 3 is probably not even significant..(I admit I don't know for a fact) but it does show there are numbers around to prove most anything.

 

it's too bad they didnt show the rest of the oils they were testing. the cost to do so is expensive so thats why it's been limited to 3.

 

Those are motorcycle oils. This is an automotive forum. "Smoke and mirrors"?