Gosh I feel sorry for the average consumer that doesn't have a clue that the, "synthetic oil", they are purchasing really isn't a synthetic oil in the traditionally accepted definition, but merely a higher refined petroleum oil.

Any well known brand name premium oil that meets new car requirements is more than good enough. No reason to feel sorry for anyone. If you know a little more than the average consumer that's a good thing. But in this case I doubt it buys much for a production vehicle. Oils have improved so much over the last couple of decades. But even at that, I've never had an engine fail or burn excessively because I might not have been using the 'best' according to one testimony or another. But then I can't really use them all at the same time anyway!

 

Based on this, then conventional oil without the high cost would be sufficient, no?

 

So deceiving consumers is okay? I've read they don't accept this in Europe as referring to a, "synthetic oil", that is actually a pretroleum oil is not allowed.

 

Many of us like the margin of a syn. Extreme temps esp. very cold winters is a big plus.
But overall anything premium oil that meets mfrs. requirements is good enough.
Syn or not.
If you plan to measure bearing or ring wear after a teardown at 200,000 miles you might be happy you used the more expensive stuff. Then again, maybe not.

 

You mean like telling everyone Mobil 1 is a true synthetic when many versions of it aren't?

 

Many motorists want more than, "good enough". They want more power, the savings of improved fuel economy and lower maintenance costs, easier cold starting, lower engine temperatures, increased engine life and a vehicle that, "runs like new", for a longer period of time. If you could improve your vehicle, especially at lower cost than using the, "good enough", products, wouldn't you want do so?

Stock tires are, "good enough". Stock brakes are, "good enough". The stock sound system is, "good enough". The stock suspension is, "good enough", etc. But many motorists want much more than just, "good enough".

Indeed, as you state in your own signature, you have modified your car in many different ways so apparently, that wasn't, "good enough", for you.

 

Well, first of all I don't have a vested interest in any products. And enough knowledge (as well as more years of life experience than I care to admit) that I know what is good enough for what I drive, how I drive, and how I maintain maintain my cars.

I am only talking about the differences in oils. I agree, mfrs. should not deceive customers.

So I got a spacer, etc. Sure I like a little more power, better throttle response, etc, as much as the next guy. But unless someone can show me the benefit over the long haul in real numbers it does not mean anything to me. But that's my personal opinion based on my own experience.

Lots of these oils have been around long enough for folks to experience premature wear or have hard numbers to show one oil is consistently better than another that it will make a life-changing driving experience. Sorry, but I don't see it. Especially when there are so many other factors, like regular maintenance, that make a bigger difference.

You make your choices and pay your money. It's up to the individual to decide what benefits he can feel or see, and how much he wants to ante up.

 

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Originally Posted by fortified

So I got a spacer, etc. Sure I like a little more power, better throttle response, etc, as much as the next guy. But unless someone can show me the benefit over the long haul in real numbers it does not mean anything to me. But that's my personal opinion based on my own experience.

Lots of these oils have been around long enough for folks to experience premature wear or have hard numbers to show one oil is consistently better than another that it will make a life-changing driving experience. Sorry, but I don't see it.

So you are saying you just don't know, ("just don't see it"), and that's fine. We can help you know better, ("see it"), with knowledge and learning. Below I will post many links for you that you can learn from. Enjoy!

Steve - Hi-Tech Oil Co.

http://www.getahelmet.com/jeeps/tech/syntheticoil/

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/sythoil.htm

http://www.amsoil.com/performancetests/g1971/index.aspx

http://www.amsoil.com/testimonials/409000.aspx

http://www.amsoil.com/articlespr/art...ynthetics.aspx

http://www.amsoil.com/articlespr/fossilfuels.aspx

http://www.amsoil.com/articlespr/200..._equation.aspx

 

[QUOTE=HiTechOilCo]

So you are saying you just don't know, ("just don't see it"), and that's fine. We can help you know better, ("see it"), with knowledge and learning. Below I will post many links for you that you can learn from. Enjoy!

Steve - Hi-Tech Oil Co.

Give me a break! I know what to look for and I don't see it! Thanks for the info!

Been there, done that. Thanks anyway!

 

Fortified. Don't mind him. Up to about 3-4 months ago, he was arguing out of his mind that Mobil 1 was still all Group IV stock synthetic.

 

Well, there's been similar or the same articles for decades. Nothing new under the sun. I have no problem with someone promoting what they believe in, but most everything negative in those articles is the result of poor maintenance or buying Thrifty Drugs brand motor oil. Most of us are smarter than that.

 

Really? How does oil give hp? Do you mean it reduces friction the most and maximizes the engine horsepower? If so a thinner viscosity say 0-20 will win hands down over what you're suggesting.

 

That ancient article using that old Chevy 350 had me

 

Little ball bearings, didn't ya know that?

 

[QUOTE=fortified]
If you don't see it, then you are missing something most motorist do see, so maybe it would help to measure more closely?

Read the articles and you will, "see".