3rd party independant tear down results of a failed VQ motor.

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Oct 29, 2008 | 06:04 PM
  #271  
Quote: What is up with the video then? I am so confused, when was the video made?

Was motor 2 ever driven?
that was motor 1-- the one that was lifting. Motor 2 was never driven, as r0mey has stated.
Oct 29, 2008 | 06:11 PM
  #272  
Quote: that was motor 1-- the one that was lifting. Motor 2 was never driven, as r0mey has stated.
Exactly. How difficult is that for everybody to understand??? OK, so r0mey may be to blame on the first motor. But what the hell does this have to do with the inspection report we have been waiting for on the 2nd GTM motor???

Answer: NOTHING!!!

So let's quit with the diversionary tactics and get back on topic.
Oct 29, 2008 | 06:11 PM
  #273  
post it Rome.
Oct 29, 2008 | 06:12 PM
  #274  
Edit...oops ok i read the posts above.
Oct 29, 2008 | 06:13 PM
  #275  
So the shop at fault should pay for this second motor to be fixed minus the free repair of the first one....I am getting this right.
Oct 29, 2008 | 06:14 PM
  #276  
What was the relevance of the video? **I get it now**

An attempt at diversion? Anyway, I can't wait to see the results and whether or not these "vendors" are willing to keep their word.

IMHO, a man's word is more important than almost anything!
Oct 29, 2008 | 06:14 PM
  #277  
Ok here is the report...
Service is performed at the request of Jerome (Larry) Currence, Jr. owner of the engine.






The engine was delivered as an assembly without the intake system. The first step was to remove the front engine cover to expose the timing chain, cam gears and crankshaft gear. The cam timing was set correctly (see photos).



The next step was to perform a “leak down” test to check the integrity and condition of the piston rings and valves for proper sealing. The leak down was as follows - # 1 cylinder was 8%, with small leak from intake and exhaust valves; #2 cylinder was 15% with leakage from intake and exhaust valves; #3 cylinder was 10% small leakage from exhaust valves; #4 cylinder 8% small leakage from exhaust valves; #5 cylinder 6% with small leakage from intake valves; #6 cylinder 8% with small leak from intake and exhaust valves.






The cylinder heads were removed next. Checks were made to see any valves were bent, all are fine. Next valve lash was checked on both heads and found them all be within spec.






The now exposed cylinders were checked to find that the left side of the engine (cylinders 2, 4 & 6) were clean having not fired with a slight coating of oil. They appearance was that they were just installed. We saw that fuel was being injected but the cylinders were not firing.


The other bank of cylinders (1, 3, & 5), all appeared to have been firing and were covered with a fixture of black carbon and oil. It is obvious that these cylinders were firing but miss firing.






The pistons were then removed to inspect piston rings and condition of the cylinder walls. There is a trace of slight scuffing but should affect the overall operation of the engine. All connecting rod bearing clearance were then examined and found to be in spec.






Please note that we were not able to perform a compression test and see the condition of the spark plugs.






SUMMARY






It is our opinion that the left side bank of the engine, cylinders 2, 4 & 6 were not firing do to lack of fuel or ignition more so the later based on a fuel spray pattern noticed on cylinder #6 (see photo). It also appears that the right bank was firing on all three cylinders but seam to have and overly rich fuel mixture.










Please review and let us know if you need anymore details.


Joe & Bert



IMP Motorsports


Te way the report reads is a bit inconclusive...It doe ssay that one side of the engine was not firing, However also goes to state unacceptable leakdown percentages on a brand new motor that was not run. The valves are not fully seating, we had nothing to do with the valves. Rome is under the impression that the summary is the end all, but only explains "why didnt the car run". Well we already knew why the car did not run, it was not firing on 3 cylinders.. What the summary does NOT include, that will be added by Joe and bert, is that the leakdown numbers are not within accpetable range. I asked Joe if the car would runif it had spark and fuel, he said yes, but not 100%. The bottom line is MRC is liable for the fuel and spark diagnosis. GTM should be liable for the repair of the heads, as the heads were in their possesion when Romes bottom end got done, and were dissasembled and sand blasted at GTM.When we got the heads back they were spotless..

Our compression on a brand new motor was 145psi across 3 cylinders and 110psi across the fualty ones, clearly NOT a fuel or spark issue.
We will make good for our "portion" of the repairs we agrred upon. We are not 100% Liable for Romeys issues however...
Oct 29, 2008 | 06:21 PM
  #278  
Quote: UNbelieveable Julian......you have no class at all. I KNOW about your habbit of lying from my 5 month order still in progress with MRC. You did it CONSISTENTLY. Don't you worry, when the time is right, everyone will know.

DO NOT address my problems with you in this thread Julian. DO NOT divert the situation to another issue. MODs, If Julian diverts this thread OT to my issues, please DO NOT close this thread and erase all OT stuff regarding me. This issue is between MRC, GTM, and Rome and above is my honest observation.

FWIW - Rome = NEVER lied to me about ANYTHING. He talked me through one of the most embarrassing nights of my life at Edgewater. I can vouch for him. Anyone who wants to question his integrity and doesn't know him, doesn't have his phone number, never met him, etc....GTFO.

Now the issue: MRC and GTM, you PROMISED to take care of the customer in this situation when the independent shop you chose determined who is at fault. WHOEVER IS AT FAULT, HONOR WHAT YOU SAID OR THIS WILL BE THE MOST EPIC FAIL EVER SEEN.

WHOEVER IS DETERMINED TO BE AT FAULT: Pay Rome every m0therf*ucking PENNY you owe him.

God help the shop that screws Rome over....I don't think your doors will stay open past new years.

I dont know you dude but dont come on here making stupid treats and demands. Yes Romey might be your best bed buddy but you dont need to lash out at MRC beacuse of your personal problems with them.

Yes they agreed to fix the motor but if you brake it intentionally then you can go **** yourself
Oct 29, 2008 | 06:29 PM
  #279  
Quote: I dont know you dude but dont come on here making stupid treats and demands. Yes Romey might be your best bed buddy but you dont need to lash out at MRC beacuse of your personal problems with them.

Yes they agreed to fix the motor but if you brake it intentionally then you can go **** yourself
He's a nobody from my350z, just dropping his 2 cents in.
Oct 29, 2008 | 06:34 PM
  #280  
I'm curious... What was the cause of the fuel and/or ignition failure?
Oct 29, 2008 | 06:36 PM
  #281  
soooooo


Sam- Send new heads or repair the crappy ones

MRC- Figure out where your fuel and spark is on the left bank

Romey- if you feel the car isnt running right or sounds funny LIFT OFF THE GAS PEDAL!

Oct 29, 2008 | 06:43 PM
  #282  
Quote: I'm curious... What was the cause of the fuel and/or ignition failure?

me too, thought that what these report were suppose to say
Oct 29, 2008 | 06:46 PM
  #283  
Julian, why would you give a knowingly give a customer a car back that is not in proper running order, which motor 1 definitely was not? If Sharif gave me back my car KNOWING it had headlift, I'd be beyond pissed.
Oct 29, 2008 | 06:48 PM
  #284  
And furthermore... Why wasn't this fuel and/or spark issue diagnosed by MRC prior to starting this sh*tstorm on the forums???
Oct 29, 2008 | 06:51 PM
  #285  
Quote: On a side note, how come the EVERYTHING has been addressed in this thread with the exception of the Original factual data form the inspection report. The only thing that has not been disputed are the facts found on the preliminary inspection of Vino's motor.


I will say that regardless of the inspection report some new information has surfaced that myself and Sam are reviewing and need to make a determination on, that is NOT cut and dry.

Someone recently brought to Sam and I 's attention this following information:
Following Romey's heads lifting on my dyno, he took possession of the car around memorial day weekend for a car show he claimed to have, and street raced it to over 145mph at 18+ psi. The race was caught on video and posted on Youtube.

Here it is:
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I can vouche for the time frame of the video being filmed following the Open dump install and head lifting incident. I can also relay that according to my sources there was coolant spewing all over Romeys windshiled during the race. In the video you clearly see 2 backfires from the drivers tailpipe, most likely floating of a valve...It is my conclusion Rome hurt his original motor more than it already was during this race. He turned a simple headgasket issue into multiple problems due to the fact he
A) could not listen to us
B) felt the need to show off


I have been a friend to Romey for well over a year now, and feel that at this point i am being lied to, and taken advantage of. If there was an issue the we 100% messed up on we would have covered it fully as we always do.

I have spent many many hours adressing issues with Romes car not related to our install and never charged him a penny for my time. We diagnosed a faulty clutch in the initial build, and also fixed a faulty throttle body for FREE, as well as countless dyno sessions for FREE....i gave him parts at cost and labor at 50% rate.

I have not been paid for the test pipe, meth, hose,heatwrap, ect install since May of 2008, nor have I been paid for pulling his motor and reinstalling it on 2 seperate occasions. I am out over $6500 in labor and parts since May of 2008 in regards to this incident.

However I felt an obligation to assist Romey during this process, and felt bad for him. However seeing this video changes EVERYTHING for me and how I feel.

I have been lied to, taken advantage of and have now risked my reputation over an issue that did not need to be...
Regardless of the blame on the initial head gasket issue, the fact that he took out a hurt car and raced it to over 145mph in itself is neglect and abuse by the owner.

How can I stand behind this?? Am I expected to still eat this entire job??
Romey has already told me he is not paying me a single dime, and he did a chargeback on Sam for around $3700. Now the facts come to light that this situation may have been caused by Romey himself...

I am not fully negating GTM for lack of quality control as there seems to be an astounding number og headgasket failures from their motors, and a serious quality control issue..We been running over 24 psi on our car on an HKS headgasket and L19's and zero issuies thus far.

I am posting this up to ask everyone in all seriousness, what should we do at MRC in regards to Romeys motor, and what would YOU do as a shop/business owner if this was presented to you?
Hi many of you don't know me. My name is Tommy I'm an admin on the local NJ boards where julian is a member and r0mey is another admin.

I was one of the people there that night that Rome took possesion of the car. I am writing this as unbiased as possible and just stating my point of view of the events occuring that night.

We we arrived rome was not in a huge rush to pick up his car. Especially since we were coming from a house party that night to pick up the car. We were in no rush due to all the minor problems Rome was already iffy about picking up it up.

Julian already had the assumption that the heads were in fact lifting... and already expressed his concerns to rome. Matt tried to keep Rome calm and described other possibilites for why the car was overheating. But advised that Rome just drive the car how he would normally drive it.

Julian took the car for a test drive, and as we were leaving we clearly heard the dumps opening up from full boost. Julian was gone for a good 25 minutes and fully "tested" the car. He came back and mentioned how LOUD the dumps were when he hit it next to other cars and how they sound like gunshots. Julian also drove this car the way it was meant to be driven even with the possibility of head lift.

When he pulled back into the lot the coolant was boiling, and julian again expressed his concerns but told rome to just "drive it". Matt refilled the coolant and meth, and let us off on our way.

Rome definately drove the car hard that night but he did so under the assumption of the knowledge of his tuner.

Edit: oh yeah this is motor 1 not the one julian started this thread over blaming sam. The car moves as you see in the video. Too bad his "friend" lifted his head on the dyno then gave him his keys