3rd party independant tear down results of a failed VQ motor.
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Originally Posted by manbeer
The sad thing is that the supposed "non-employee" is a much better representative for the company than the owner, whose attitude, grammar, and spelling were atrocious
I'm not taking any sides, I did have GTM boost my G. Now thanks to this thread....if I was planning on a built motor I would now do more research and also consider other companies, not just GTM.I just think all the comments and cheap shot at someone to whom english is not the 1st language is absolutely unnecessary.
Maybe insults and cheapshots like this and Julian's "using wikipedia" comments are the reason Sam doesn't respond as much as you want... maybe?
Have some class, for Pete's sake you drive a classy car.
Last edited by Boosted D.D.; Oct 26, 2008 at 01:45 AM.
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Originally Posted by Boosted D.D.
That is pure class... class act
I mean it's not his native language, once again . . .
wow...pictures say a lot...sorry to see your engine in such shape rome. i hope you get things sorted out by both shops for the sake of "romes money"!... i dont really personally care too much if george is an RV sales men or not but if i recall this arias pistons are suppose to be "gtm spec"? i remember seeing them called like that in the build threads for quite some time....
Last edited by IIQuickSilverII; Oct 26, 2008 at 02:14 AM.
Originally Posted by Dynasty.Zero
Sam's English skills, when speaking with him, are perfectly fine. I'm sure he doesn't spend all day in front of a computer or has the greatest command of the written English language, spelling, etc.
I mean it's not his native language, once again . . .
I mean it's not his native language, once again . . .
Originally Posted by Julian
Kevin,
There was not contract with GTM, and I am confident that if we show a pattern of sloppy, faulty, and poor craftmanship of his products, we can recover a good portion of our our of pocket expenses with legal proceedings, allowing us to not have to pass on the cost of GTM's mistakes to MRC customers.
There was not contract with GTM, and I am confident that if we show a pattern of sloppy, faulty, and poor craftmanship of his products, we can recover a good portion of our our of pocket expenses with legal proceedings, allowing us to not have to pass on the cost of GTM's mistakes to MRC customers.
As a last resort calling them out in a public forum definately will put some pressure on them to "make things right" but publically threatening legal action when there is no contract is laughable.
At the end of the day it sounds like the customer paid MRC for services rendered. The customer, therefore, would expect MRC to provide them with a working, performing car. If MRC decided to pay another company for a motor and that motor failed I would expect MRC to make it right. Now, of course, if I were a customer and I paid GTM for a motor I would expect GTM to make it right.
I guess, what I'm trying to say here again is that this is a business to business transaction - not a business to individual sale. As a business owner you really should stand behind the products you push, instead of calling out the company that provides you with the products that allow you to maximize your profits.
Last edited by KPierson; Oct 26, 2008 at 09:45 AM.
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Unfortunately, I expect some of the test results to come back inconclusive regarding specific source of causality. There are many variables that will come down to "word of mouth"; this or that reason. Good luck guys. Hope you can come up with a solution.
Originally Posted by KPierson
If you have no legal contract what are you tring to acomplish by "threatening" legal action? Even if GTM is 1000% responsible for the issue your customer is having if there is no binding warranty contract you are left to foot the bill for YOUR mistake for providing products from a source that isn't willing to put their warranty in writing.
As a last resort calling them out in a public forum definately will put some pressure on them to "make things right" but publically threatening legal action when there is no contract is laughable.
At the end of the day it sounds like the customer paid MRC for services rendered. The customer, therefore, would expect MRC to provide them with a working, performing car. If MRC decided to pay another company for a motor and that motor failed I would expect MRC to make it right. Now, of course, if I were a customer and I paid GTM for a motor I would expect GTM to make it right.
I guess, what I'm trying to say here again is that this is a business to business transaction - not a business to individual sale. As a business owner you really should stand behind the products you push, instead of calling out the company that provides you with the products that allow you to maximize our profits.
As a last resort calling them out in a public forum definately will put some pressure on them to "make things right" but publically threatening legal action when there is no contract is laughable.
At the end of the day it sounds like the customer paid MRC for services rendered. The customer, therefore, would expect MRC to provide them with a working, performing car. If MRC decided to pay another company for a motor and that motor failed I would expect MRC to make it right. Now, of course, if I were a customer and I paid GTM for a motor I would expect GTM to make it right.
I guess, what I'm trying to say here again is that this is a business to business transaction - not a business to individual sale. As a business owner you really should stand behind the products you push, instead of calling out the company that provides you with the products that allow you to maximize our profits.
Originally Posted by KPierson
If you have no legal contract what are you tring to acomplish by "threatening" legal action? Even if GTM is 1000% responsible for the issue your customer is having if there is no binding warranty contract you are left to foot the bill for YOUR mistake for providing products from a source that isn't willing to put their warranty in writing.
As a last resort calling them out in a public forum definately will put some pressure on them to "make things right" but publically threatening legal action when there is no contract is laughable.
At the end of the day it sounds like the customer paid MRC for services rendered. The customer, therefore, would expect MRC to provide them with a working, performing car. If MRC decided to pay another company for a motor and that motor failed I would expect MRC to make it right. Now, of course, if I were a customer and I paid GTM for a motor I would expect GTM to make it right.
I guess, what I'm trying to say here again is that this is a business to business transaction - not a business to individual sale. As a business owner you really should stand behind the products you push, instead of calling out the company that provides you with the products that allow you to maximize your profits.
As a last resort calling them out in a public forum definately will put some pressure on them to "make things right" but publically threatening legal action when there is no contract is laughable.
At the end of the day it sounds like the customer paid MRC for services rendered. The customer, therefore, would expect MRC to provide them with a working, performing car. If MRC decided to pay another company for a motor and that motor failed I would expect MRC to make it right. Now, of course, if I were a customer and I paid GTM for a motor I would expect GTM to make it right.
I guess, what I'm trying to say here again is that this is a business to business transaction - not a business to individual sale. As a business owner you really should stand behind the products you push, instead of calling out the company that provides you with the products that allow you to maximize your profits.
Now, I would rather if you have nothing to add to this topic relating to engines and the facts and specs I presented, that you remove yourself from discussion. The undelying threat of legal retort is non relevant to the actual topic at hand, and as usual selective reading has taken place on your end.
If you wish to discuss the LEGAL OPTIONS I may or may not have, by all means, feel free to start that thread on your ownr. But as for now I would like to stick to the topic at hand which is "3rd Party tear down and inspections of failed GTM motors/Products"
Now please cast any personal feelings you may harbor towards me aside and allow your self to make an unbiased and educated, objective opinion about the FACT I have presented the readers. If you do not understand what has transpired or the mechanics of it all, then like I said feel free to remove yourself from the discussion.
Last edited by Julian; Oct 26, 2008 at 10:43 AM.
Originally Posted by Boosted D.D.
That is pure class... class act I'm not taking any sides, I did have GTM boost my G. Now thanks to this thread....if I was planning on a built motor I would now do more research and also consider other companies, not just GTM.
I just think all the comments and cheap shot at someone to whom english is not the 1st language is absolutely unnecessary.
Maybe insults and cheapshots like this and Julian's "using wikipedia" comments are the reason Sam doesn't respond as much as you want... maybe?
Have some class, for Pete's sake you drive a classy car.
I'm not taking any sides, I did have GTM boost my G. Now thanks to this thread....if I was planning on a built motor I would now do more research and also consider other companies, not just GTM.I just think all the comments and cheap shot at someone to whom english is not the 1st language is absolutely unnecessary.
Maybe insults and cheapshots like this and Julian's "using wikipedia" comments are the reason Sam doesn't respond as much as you want... maybe?
Have some class, for Pete's sake you drive a classy car.
What amazes me is the selective reading that is taking place. i post up some conclusive, factual data and people are focusing on trival aspects of this thread..
FOCUS PEOPLE FOCUS...There may be some learning to take place here..
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Originally Posted by KPierson
If you have no legal contract what are you tring to acomplish by "threatening" legal action? Even if GTM is 1000% responsible for the issue your customer is having if there is no binding warranty contract you are left to foot the bill for YOUR mistake for providing products from a source that isn't willing to put their warranty in writing.
As a last resort calling them out in a public forum definately will put some pressure on them to "make things right" but publically threatening legal action when there is no contract is laughable.
At the end of the day it sounds like the customer paid MRC for services rendered. The customer, therefore, would expect MRC to provide them with a working, performing car. If MRC decided to pay another company for a motor and that motor failed I would expect MRC to make it right. Now, of course, if I were a customer and I paid GTM for a motor I would expect GTM to make it right.
I guess, what I'm trying to say here again is that this is a business to business transaction - not a business to individual sale. As a business owner you really should stand behind the products you push, instead of calling out the company that provides you with the products that allow you to maximize your profits.
As a last resort calling them out in a public forum definately will put some pressure on them to "make things right" but publically threatening legal action when there is no contract is laughable.
At the end of the day it sounds like the customer paid MRC for services rendered. The customer, therefore, would expect MRC to provide them with a working, performing car. If MRC decided to pay another company for a motor and that motor failed I would expect MRC to make it right. Now, of course, if I were a customer and I paid GTM for a motor I would expect GTM to make it right.
I guess, what I'm trying to say here again is that this is a business to business transaction - not a business to individual sale. As a business owner you really should stand behind the products you push, instead of calling out the company that provides you with the products that allow you to maximize your profits.
Everyone on my350z knows about the bad blood between you and Julian that led to his permaban over there. I feel that you are just taking cheap shots at Julian and have nothing useful to offer this thread. Your 2 cents is biased and unnecessary, so please STFU.
