3rd party independant tear down results of a failed VQ motor.
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Originally Posted by XKR
some people are already posting concerns about their GTM motors...the same concerns people had with sleeved motors...look at it now ..things have cooled down.
But when you've been through a blown stock motor with all the costs involved, you get a little more paranoid if you hear a strange motor noise, or in this case, read serious attacks by a distributor of the brand of built motor you have installed in your car.
So maybe concern is an overreaction, but this thread does get your attention.Back when my motor was being built, Sam contacted me with updates and addressed any concerns I had. So I'm sure based on how Sam and GTM performed for me in the past, I can only assume this will eventually all get resolved.
Originally Posted by Julian
Sahrif, I appologize for getting you involved. That was bad on my part.You are correct, you never told me directly about any issues, Im simply repeating leaks of information I heard from reliable sources from your shop, that have since severed ties with you. You are correct, it is not fair for me to state this information.I retract my statements, however I want you to know, that people who you "think" are in your corner, are really NOT in your corner. Take it for what it s worth next time you put your reputation on the line for them.
I would change your post calling out Sharif if this is how you feel.
As always there is two sides to each story. I have a feeling there is some place in the middle. I am not about to pick sides on this one. MRC has put forth some good evidence on the first page and GTM has responded to one motor. More info will come with time.
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Originally Posted by BrianlG35C
I assume you were talking about me since I didn't see anyone else voice their concerns. I should say, my GTM built motor continues to run fine since my install back about a year ago. But when you've been through a blown stock motor with all the costs involved, you get a little more paranoid if you hear a strange motor noise, or in this case, read serious attacks by a distributor of the brand of built motor you have installed in your car. So maybe concern is an overreaction, but this thread does get your attention.
Back when my motor was being built, Sam contacted me with updates and addressed any concerns I had. So I'm sure based on how Sam and GTM performed for me in the past, I can only assume this will eventually all get resolved.
But when you've been through a blown stock motor with all the costs involved, you get a little more paranoid if you hear a strange motor noise, or in this case, read serious attacks by a distributor of the brand of built motor you have installed in your car. So maybe concern is an overreaction, but this thread does get your attention.Back when my motor was being built, Sam contacted me with updates and addressed any concerns I had. So I'm sure based on how Sam and GTM performed for me in the past, I can only assume this will eventually all get resolved.
Originally Posted by ttrank
As always there is two sides to each story. I have a feeling there is some place in the middle. I am not about to pick sides on this one. MRC has put forth some good evidence on the first page and GTM has responded to one motor. More info will come with time.
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The car that is currently at a 3rd party right now ladies and gentlemen is my motor. I didnt want to be named as the customer until the 3rd party report had came back which is hopefully tommorrow. I know there are many behind the scences talking going on. So rather than getting a ton of instant messages asking me if its my car, Ill just post and tell you that it is. Both parties have agreed to me verbally that whoever is at fault they will fix the issue as to why my motor didnt fire on start up. I have been without a car for almost 6 months now and this process is a very trying and tough one. Thats all i will say for now thank you
-Jerome
-Jerome
Last edited by r0mey; Oct 24, 2008 at 09:11 PM.
Originally Posted by George@GTM
Since everyone is so eager to get some answers, I will respond to one of the engines I have information on in the meantime while we wait for the 3rd party inspection for the final motor.
This is going to be in response to the comments made about the engine with the broken oil squirters.
Julian PM'd Sam and let him know they were replacing the oil pan on this car, and upon removal found the broken oil squirters.
Sam picked up the phone and called Julian asking to provide the invoice number for this engine so he can look up build card to determine what pistons were used in this engine and who made them. If we need to call the manufacturer and see why their pistons broke the oil squirters, they will need the build sheet number for the pistons, which we cannot get without the invoice number from Julian.
Julian told Sam he would get back to him with the information. Days passed by with no information from Julian. Sam called Julian again asking for the information, he was busy and said he had not gotten a chance to get this paperwork. Keep in mind we cannot do anything until we get the invoice number to see which engine this was. To this day no information was ever provided from Julian to Sam to resolve this issues.
This is going to be in response to the comments made about the engine with the broken oil squirters.
Julian PM'd Sam and let him know they were replacing the oil pan on this car, and upon removal found the broken oil squirters.
Sam picked up the phone and called Julian asking to provide the invoice number for this engine so he can look up build card to determine what pistons were used in this engine and who made them. If we need to call the manufacturer and see why their pistons broke the oil squirters, they will need the build sheet number for the pistons, which we cannot get without the invoice number from Julian.
Julian told Sam he would get back to him with the information. Days passed by with no information from Julian. Sam called Julian again asking for the information, he was busy and said he had not gotten a chance to get this paperwork. Keep in mind we cannot do anything until we get the invoice number to see which engine this was. To this day no information was ever provided from Julian to Sam to resolve this issues.
Originally Posted by George@GTM
Sam never said or implied that we will not take care of the problem,
Originally Posted by George@GTM
keep in mind that this issue is 100% caused by the piston manufacturer,
Originally Posted by George@GTM
but we were the builder of the engine and take full responsibility for it.
Originally Posted by George@GTM
We still do not know what has happened with this engine, is it still running or not, and if anything has been done to correct the problem, Julian has left us in the dark. This is a clear example of whenever there is a problem we have to work together to take care of the customer and put them back on the road ASAP.
That is customer service. I can send GTM the bill if you would like to stand behind your product. However there was no need to ship a motor across the country when we knew what the issue was and could fix it right at our facility. A mutual trus and working together would have been GTM offering to absorb the cost of repairing the motor at our facility which is the practical thing to do.However Sam cares more about the mighty dollar than trust and integrity. We ate over $3200 in labor on that job...Thank you GTM!
Originally Posted by George@GTM
I have known Sam for over 2 years now, and I have never once seen him deny any type of warranty on any of his products that were in fact his fault, it is unfortunate that in this particular case he will be at a loss because of a piston manufacturer error, but he will stand behind it, as he always does with his products.
Originally Posted by George@GTM
Please be patient with us, as we are awaiting the inspection of the final motor to end this debate once and for all. Thank you.
-George
-George
George, can you do me a favor, can you verify that you even work for GTM by posting a paycheck stub for us to see...Last time I heard, you dont even work there, and are simply friends with Sam and hang out there and post on the net for free...Please clarify since your posting in response to some very serious accusations we are making against GTM and Sam.
George, can you do me a favor, can you verify that you even work for GTM by posting a paycheck stub for us to see...Last time I heard, you dont even work there, and are simply friends with Sam and hang out there and post on the net for free...Please clarify since your posting in response to some very serious accusations we are making against GTM and Sam.
