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Old Oct 26, 2008 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by KPierson
If you have no legal contract what are you tring to acomplish by "threatening" legal action? Even if GTM is 1000% responsible for the issue your customer is having if there is no binding warranty contract you are left to foot the bill for YOUR mistake for providing products from a source that isn't willing to put their warranty in writing.

As a last resort calling them out in a public forum definately will put some pressure on them to "make things right" but publically threatening legal action when there is no contract is laughable.

At the end of the day it sounds like the customer paid MRC for services rendered. The customer, therefore, would expect MRC to provide them with a working, performing car. If MRC decided to pay another company for a motor and that motor failed I would expect MRC to make it right. Now, of course, if I were a customer and I paid GTM for a motor I would expect GTM to make it right.

I guess, what I'm trying to say here again is that this is a business to business transaction - not a business to individual sale. As a business owner you really should stand behind the products you push, instead of calling out the company that provides you with the products that allow you to maximize your profits.
Wait until you can afford a setup as nice and r0mes and god forbid, something like this happens to you you'll be singing a different tune.
 
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
Everyone on my350z knows about the bad blood between you and Julian that led to his permaban over there. I feel that you are just taking cheap shots at Julian and have nothing useful to offer this thread. Your 2 cents is biased and unnecessary, so please STFU.

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i couldn't agree more....i mean
its pretty obvious the selective reading and that Julian maybe needs to post some "reference" that he has not received communication from gtm since june(till recently because of the thread unless i am mistaken) to resolve he issues. Which so far the response from george was that they didn't do anything all that time because they couldn't get a number... how many engine they sold? now even if its 200 i find it hard to believe they cant go back and find the build list of such engine of the "200" i am sure only a few went out to julian...and it can be tracked by date too
Originally Posted by julian@mrc
1) When we spoke in june/july in regards to the issues we had, you washed your hands of me.i can post up my phone bills of the unreturned calls to your cell phone if you would like. Perhaps that will clarify that you left me out to dry.
Everybody trying to call out julian out for a smearing campaign and posting this on the forum needs not forget that.
 

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Old Oct 26, 2008 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JAMEZ@CiNcity
Wait until you can afford a setup as nice and r0mes and god forbid, something like this happens to you you'll be singing a different tune.
+1

He's just blinded right now by his personal differences with Julian.
 
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 11:29 AM
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He's actually making a good point though. Let's say you purchase a computer from dell and the video card goes out. Who is responsible? The computer manufacturer of course because they choose to use that video card they are responsible. While I can see Julian's side if it proves to be GTM's fault then GTM should have to reimburse Julian for the expenses. But for now it is all Julian's responsiblity to front all expenses and labor because he's the one that provided the product and service to the customer. And I don't understand the negative comments towards kevin about him being jealous cause he can't afford to do what rome did to his car, I'm pretty sure he could afford if he decided to waste his money.
 
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by merlin3
He's actually making a good point though. Let's say you purchase a computer from dell and the video card goes out. Who is responsible? The computer manufacturer of course because they choose to use that video card they are responsible. While I can see Julian's side if it proves to be GTM's fault then GTM should have to reimburse Julian for the expenses. But for now it is all Julian's responsiblity to front all expenses and labor because he's the one that provided the product and service to the customer. And I don't understand the negative comments towards kevin about him being jealous cause he can't afford to do what rome did to his car, I'm pretty sure he could afford if he decided to waste his money.
Nice 1st post.did you register 5 mins ago?
 
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 11:44 AM
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srsly, can we keep this thread on topic? Julian already made it clear that legal discussions should not take place here. uh .... starting NOW
 
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 12:47 PM
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hay guys, back on topic.

i am giving Sam and GTM the option of stepping up and doing the right thing first. It was a hard pressed decision to go public with our findings and issues, and we intend to keep it professional and informational. Filled with FACTS. Thus far GTM's only retort has been to publicly slander my business and myself with untrue claims.

Perhaps we should have started on a smaller scal with the facts, so Sam may respond.So therefore we will pose one small question that should be fairly easy for Sam to answer.

Sam,
On the Cams that came from Romey's motor, that were installed at your facility,there was an "obvious and clear material defect" that tuning could not have played a part in. We used a Rotella high ZINC content oil in Romes motor for most of its break in life. The cams obviously failed, which may now have proven to caused the issues in the valve train that he is now experienceing.
Can you answer the forum and your potential and current customers this one question:
Why did you not warranty your defective cams?

Here are pics of the cams for all to make a judgement..They say a picture is worth a 1000 words..These pictures are of only 2 cam lobes that failed. There was no wear or failure on the other 3 cams or lobes, only these 2 particular lobes, so it was NOT contamination that cause this or you would have seen it on all of the lobes.









How can AMATUER tuning and PART TIME mecahnics make metal fail..
NOT WARRANTIED BY GTM!
 
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Julian
Nice 1st post.did you register 5 mins ago?
are you blind and can't see the registration date? it's a wonder I didn't miss your intelligent comments on my350
 
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 01:41 PM
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Hey Julian, so did any of these motors blow on the dyno during the tune? Or did you tune it, and then later on it blew?
 
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by merlin3
are you blind and can't see the registration date? it's a wonder I didn't miss your intelligent comments on my350
And your 2nd post is a gotcha. Congratulations. Now GTFO and go swing on KP's nuts somewhere else.

Kthnxbai
 
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by merlin3
are you blind and can't see the registration date? it's a wonder I didn't miss your intelligent comments on my350
 
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 01:50 PM
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Too say Sam is selling you bad batches of engines are not fixing it or taking care of it isn't him, few people that know him too well, know well enough he will not ever do anything scandalous like that. I don't know why you sent your motor out to a 3rd party either hrrrm....what i think, you plan this shiet all out man from the begining, these motors aren't from like yesterday, its been a batch of motors from a while back, and I think if it was bad it would of went bad during day 1 or during your tune on the spot. I don't know though, but this is my opinion, I think you my friend, are busting a shady. And no I'm not backing up Sam up on this issue because I'm a customer there, what do i know of this situation truly? This is my opinion although I tend to support him as a customer and a friend. Unless there was really a failed part on gtm's side, Julian you have something up your sleeve, you fvcked up and trying to get something out of it and blame the finger somewhere else, i know it Julian, you know it Julian, you know it man......its ok though. Btw where da fvck is mrc? hahaha
 
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by merlin3
He's actually making a good point though. Let's say you purchase a computer from dell and the video card goes out. Who is responsible? The computer manufacturer of course because they choose to use that video card they are responsible. While I can see Julian's side if it proves to be GTM's fault then GTM should have to reimburse Julian for the expenses. But for now it is all Julian's responsiblity to front all expenses and labor because he's the one that provided the product and service to the customer. And I don't understand the negative comments towards kevin about him being jealous cause he can't afford to do what rome did to his car, I'm pretty sure he could afford if he decided to waste his money.
We just had two Dell servers installed within the last two weeks, and we ran into an issue with compatibility between our particular release of Windows Server 2003 (R1) and the Dell Servers, which apparently are fairly new designs, but list combatabilty with Server 2003.

Dell's customer serverice is exemplary. They spent hours on the phone with our IT Consultant, and even sent a tech out to change out all of the hardware in one of our servers. The tech also spent hours here trying to solve the issue. None of that worked, however, but between the IT Consultant and myself we finally found a solution. Nonetheless, Dell is not obligated to, nor will they, reimburse us for the significant amount of time I myself spent, nor the money we paid our IT Consultant to resolve the issues. Nor do I expect them to. That would end up costing way more than the value of the servers. Moreover, even before we started this process, our IT Consultant told us that Server upgrades rarely go completely smooth without any hitches, especially when trying to port the Active Directory and Server based applications. So we were prepaired.

By the same token, we all should be prepaired to run into problems with high performance builds. When my Clutchmasters FX600 fried, I asked Roger and Sharif to work together to get me a knew one and get it in ASAP. I would be happy if Cluthmasters warranties the FX600, especially since I didn't push it beyond what it should handle, but I don't expect them to reimburse me for Roger's time to take the FX600 out and put the Carbonetics in, nor did I expect Roger to do that work for free. If all high performance venders did that for every problem encountered in a custom build, they would go bankrupt, or their prices would need increase significantly to keep the doors open. It's high performance. Don't play if you don't have the money to pay.

imo, if it turns out that the problems were the fault of GTM, then GTM should exchange the motors under warranty, but not pay for the labor for the changeout unless there was an understanding that such labor costs are covered under GTMs warranty.
 

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Old Oct 26, 2008 | 02:08 PM
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this thread is a whole bounch of he said she said, and ALOT OF FINGER POINTING.

g35rider, your a buddy of mine. we joke around alot and have a good time. i have not lost any respect for you, but PLEASE stop the fingerpointing. im not trying to involve myself, but its silly to point fingers. LETS SAY gtm is at fault. how are you going to feel when you have been trying to prove yourself wrong all this time?

personally, i feel that this thread should be locked. and if julian or sam have anything to add, they should PM a mod and they will be allowed to post their information.
 
Old Oct 26, 2008 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by G35Rider92649
these motors aren't from like yesterday, its been a batch of motors from a while back,
i know, so its hard to understand how come Arias produce a bad gtm spec piston all fo the sudden
 


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