Evidentally there was a problems a couple of years ago. Perhaps they were old inventory that Arias sent to GTM used by mistake, or that GTM missed when purging their old inventory.

Wait, Wat? I have no clue what your attempting to say.

Wow...people now started taking side eventhough they don't even know what and how the truth was.

Why not just let MRC and GTM solve this by themselves? All we need to do is just sit back and watch, the truth would be out soon.

This thread is getting alonger because of those useless posts.

Here are a few more pictures of the motor we had blueprinted.Note in the last picutre the gouges in the main bearing that was done upon assembly at GTM, you can clearly see it is BELOW the visible wear mark, showing that is was there from the start.Note the Oil gunk burnt to the inside of the cylinder walls as well as the valves keeping them from properly seating. This was due to the sloppy and 30 thousanths of oil ring end gap and improper piston to wall. This motor was doomed from day one. With overtight mains and loose ring gap.

Don't post much but I think this is something to comment on. I am in the FI forum everyday about 10 times a day and read a lot. From this experience, I don't think anyone should say that they have to rethink going to GTM or rethink going to MRC. I live in NY and out of all places, if I decide to move forward with my project it will be MRC just because they are 45 minutes from my house. Additionally, Julian would have to build my motor, do the install, and tune the car. And the main reason is that if anything were to fail, I can go back to Julian. When you ask every question from who built the engine, to who tuned the car, to who changed the oil....the answer will be the same for every question. Once there is only one person to point the finger at, there can be no finger pointing. If I lived in CA, it would be the same scenerio but it would be with GTM. Its always easier for a shop to resolve a matter if they know that there was not another shop involved with the tune or install of their product. We have said this time and time again and this is just another situation that brings it this into a brighter light that its better to have everything from one shop. Good luck to both parties and the customer.

Shop nuthuggers and personal rivals (KP) getting involved in this thread FTL.

Well said.

It doesnt Phase me, I can hang with the best of em...No pun intended. However it is hard to dispute cold hard FACTS and pictures backing up the FACTS. When there is no disputing things such this, the inevitable bashing then take place in an attempt to distract and discredit the person calling the BS.
This was the same situation when we all cried BS on VRT back 3 years ago....The truth eventually came out.

I have the actual inspection report if anyone cares to view i need someone to host it, its 393 KB....i honestly do not know how much more factual information we have to provide to get Sam to admit he F'd up. also we got back a preliminary on Romes new motor, and despite Sams suggestion that we mistimed the cams, the engine and cam timing was 100% correct. Ball is in Sams court now, since all we did to that motor was time it and put the cover on...FYI that motor was NOT tuned, only started up.

I brought up valid questions and points and did not disrespect either shop (as there isn't enough info available to make a conclusive judgement over the internet). If you percieved my post as hostile towards Julian because Julian and I had issues 6 months ago then thats on you - that wasn't my intention at all. There is no "rivalry" between Julian and me - what's in the past is in the past.

There are questions that need to be answered, and one of them is what kind of warranty does GTM offer on motors they sell to other vendors? There are obviously all kinds of different costs involved (labor, shipping, trouble shooting, etc) and someone needs to be responsible for them so when situations like this arise there is a clear understanding of who will do what. Two shops pointing fingers at each other is bad for the community and bad for the customer. Sadly this isn't the first thread about someone having issues with a motor built one place and installed/tuned somewhere else. Hopefully people that are going to have motors built in the future learn from this situation and ask questions about warranties before they spend their hard earned money.

I do hope that whatever the findings MRC and GTM find a way to work together to get the car in question back on the road in a timely manner.

I can host it if you want me to.

Mabe GTM builds terrible motors, and MRC sucks at tunning them.

Just wanted to call out both shops, to keep this pointless drama going.

^awesome post bra

Julian, the fact that you've made enemies on the internet is a sign. GTM, as far as I know, does not have any series issues with any vendors on the site(s).

Lets not dig up any buried skeletons now, and focus on the issue at hand, which is regarding the motors in question.

I'm sure both sides are leaving out important pieces of evidence, and IMO, this shouldn't have even come up until it was settled. Going public with it is just your way of pushing for something to happen faster instead of going through the proper channels.

Is Julian going to be the next Relentless?

I'm going to step out of this thread for now and just watch it develop.

Honestly, some of you are wasting your breathes with pointless bias opinions or maybe you're just ignorant of the facts. As many has stated before me, this is a legal matter and let the lawyers finish it. Some of you still don't understand we are involve in something called... "THE INTERNET" ?

This is like a basketball game... we won't know who wins till the end. I'm rooting for GTM, so lets sit back and enjoy the game!

I want more updated legal news and less pointless bias opinions.

Thank you