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Old 11-16-2010 | 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by socalwdup
Yea, Chris is the man.

I think you owe Chris here an apology when Chris was trying to be genuine and up front with everything and you (OP) are trying to start something
Why aren't you banned yet!? STFU!

I'm sure Chris will take care of the situation with the OP privately. GL fellas
 
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Old 11-16-2010 | 03:46 AM
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So some people think I should be ok with getting treated like sh*t and some people say I should get my money back.

First of all... I was not trying to ruin Chris's reputation. In fact I did not even mention his name until now since everyone else decided to mention his name. I created this thread to get a general understand of what is acceptable on the marketplace and what was not.

I might not have sold anything on here, but I have sold over 100 things on ebay, and when I quote a buyer shipping, and he/she pays for the them, I can not go back and tell them they have to pay more money. The transaction is finished and the item has to be shipped. If I mis-quoted the price then I have to ship anyway and take the loss as a seller. Not sure why it is different here.

Also, if the item is broken when it arrives, if I as a seller does not get insurance that it my fault, and if the buyer sends pictures showing the item is broken then I refund their money and do not expect them to take their valuable time and money to send broken items back to me. If part of the item is still useable then a partial refund is the right thing to do.

In this case, the shipping was misquoted, not my fault. The item was listed for sale as "Springs including the struts" and part of the item listed was broken in transit. Since I can use the springs but I can not use the struts then I think a partial refund should be paid.

When completing a business transaction the seller should be liable for all possible losses with the transaction. In no way should a buyer take a risk of loss money when purchasing a product from a seller. In this case its not the buyer that was responsible for damaged product during shipping or misquoting a price for shipping. Both of these are the sellers responsibility.
You were clearly looking for springs and that's how you ended up finding his thread https://g35driver.com/forums/marketp...abe-df210.html

Main item for sale were the springs and it clearly says that struts were included as a bonus. In his thread he made absolutely no effort to describe the struts therefore you have no say on the condition of that part.
You were buying the springs.......and you got the springs.

Everyone can understand your frustration but seller is not financially responsible for anything at this point.

You paid the amount you agreed to pay and he shipped it. Product that you hoped to get arrived in good used condition and has no visible damage. You not going to ask him to pay you back for a damaged box springs were shipped in are you?

I don't know this Chris guy so don't take this as some kind of one sided post.
At the end of the day.........You paid what you wanted and you got what you paid for (Springs).

Take them off the old, damaged and prolly shot struts and put them on your car.........then take some pictures and share them in the Picture share section.

Good luck and let's hope that everyones hurt vagina gonna heal up soon so we can get done with this and move on to better things.
 
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Old 11-16-2010 | 03:54 AM
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You didn't buy the struts in good condition, he didn't mention condition at all and you didn't ask at least in the thread. Did you even ask the mileage on the struts? If he didn't tell you the struts were in perfect condition then you have nothing to complain about because you didn't ask.
 
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Old 11-16-2010 | 05:17 AM
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Why aren't you banned yet!? STFU!

I'm sure Chris will take care of the situation with the OP privately. GL fellas
Dude what's your problem? I have nothing against you...
 
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Old 11-16-2010 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by socalwdup
Yea, Chris is the man.

I think you owe Chris here an apology when Chris was trying to be genuine and up front with everything and you (OP) are trying to start something
Plain and simple, You must be out of your fu*^ing mind if you think I owe someone an apology.
 
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Old 11-16-2010 | 11:22 AM
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Because he did not mention the condition of the struts, it is assumed they are fine. If they were in bad condition he would have to mention it in the thread or I would refuse the package and let him deal with it.

I understand the seller has a "reputation" here but from what ive seen, I wouldn't buy from him. It only takes one bad transaction, if he doesn't help with at least a partial refund then what's to say he won't help if a package is completely lost or something? Because you mentioned the struts in the thread you need to at the very least make sure they are useable, just as they were in your photos. The OP would have no problem winning a claim on this.

Also, just because the seller didn't want to remove them from the springs doesn't give him the right to increase shipping costs. The price you quote or come to a deal is the price the buyer should pay. If you were wrong on your original shipping price then chock it up as a loss and move on and get it right next time.
 
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Old 11-16-2010 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Canadian
Because he did not mention the condition of the struts, it is assumed they are fine. If they were in bad condition he would have to mention it in the thread or I would refuse the package and let him deal with it.

I understand the seller has a "reputation" here but from what ive seen, I wouldn't buy from him. It only takes one bad transaction, if he doesn't help with at least a partial refund then what's to say he won't help if a package is completely lost or something? Because you mentioned the struts in the thread you need to at the very least make sure they are useable, just as they were in your photos. The OP would have no problem winning a claim on this.

Also, just because the seller didn't want to remove them from the springs doesn't give him the right to increase shipping costs. The price you quote or come to a deal is the price the buyer should pay. If you were wrong on your original shipping price then chock it up as a loss and move on and get it right next time.
I completely disagree, he said struts were included. That tells absolutely nothing about the condition or usability, in fact a short statement like that would make almost anyone believe there is something probably wrong with them. A failure to ask condition and even mileage on the struts is completely the fault of the OP. Everyone who buys stuff on forums know one of your first questions should always be about condition and it seems like the OP decided to skip that part and therefore chris shouldn't be held liable at all for the struts.
 
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Old 11-16-2010 | 11:44 AM
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This thread is almost funny..
 
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Old 11-16-2010 | 12:31 PM
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Old 11-16-2010 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Xet
I completely disagree, he said struts were included. That tells absolutely nothing about the condition or usability, in fact a short statement like that would make almost anyone believe there is something probably wrong with them. A failure to ask condition and even mileage on the struts is completely the fault of the OP. Everyone who buys stuff on forums know one of your first questions should always be about condition and it seems like the OP decided to skip that part and therefore chris shouldn't be held liable at all for the struts.
He said the struts are included, and he included pictures of the struts. They looked perfectly fine to me in the pictures, nothing was bent. It is still the responsibility of the seller to let the buyer know if there is a problem with what he is selling. I for damn sure no questions asked would return something and request a 100% refund and demand the seller pay for the return shipping if I received something that was damaged, if I was expecting a none damaged product. If they did not meet my requests I would be calling my credit card company and filing a chargeback which you as the card holder will win in this situation.

I know you and everyone else here would do the same, otherwise you are just a pushover.
 
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Old 11-16-2010 | 01:04 PM
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File a claim against the shipping company then everyone wins.
 
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Old 11-16-2010 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Canadian
He said the struts are included, and he included pictures of the struts. They looked perfectly fine to me in the pictures, nothing was bent. It is still the responsibility of the seller to let the buyer know if there is a problem with what he is selling. I for damn sure no questions asked would return something and request a 100% refund and demand the seller pay for the return shipping if I received something that was damaged, if I was expecting a none damaged product. If they did not meet my requests I would be calling my credit card company and filing a chargeback which you as the card holder will win in this situation.

I know you and everyone else here would do the same, otherwise you are just a pushover.
You can't even see all the pieces of the struts in the original sale thread. You can't see the top of the struts, you can only see the bracket on 1 strut, and on one of the pics it appears that the dust boot is already ripped presale. There was absolutely no statement of condition on the original thread which means anyone who has half a brain would ask about the condition before sending the money. Sure the seller should have done a better packaging job but the OP needs to at least make an attempt to make sure he is getting what he wants when he buys a used product.
 

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Old 11-16-2010 | 03:31 PM
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You can't even see all the pieces of the struts in the original sale thread. You can't see the top of the struts, you can only see the bracket on 1 strut, and on one of the pics it appears that the dust boot is already ripped presale. There was absolutely no statement of condition on the original thread which means anyone who has half a brain would ask about the condition before sending the money. Sure the seller should have done a better packaging job but the OP needs to at least make an attempt to make sure he is getting what he wants when he buys a used product.
So you're saying I don't have half a brain because I expect someone on this forum to have enough respect for their fellow G family to not sell broken A** **** and not explain it in the for sale thread?

I know when I look at the "Wheels for sale" threads they always explain if there is road rash or scratches in their thread, not only if someone asks first. Normal wear and tear is expected when buying used items, but Broken studs and bents brackets are not expected.

In this case, would it have really made a difference if I asked what the condition of the items I purchased were before I paid for them? They were packed so poorly that anyone with "half a brain" would know that the condition would have been deteriorated during shipping.

Either the seller decided to sell and ship an item that was broken prior to shipment without stating that in the for sale thread, or the item was broken in transit due to poor packing. Either way, it should not be at the responsibility of the buyer to make it right. Whether that is "cleaning them up, sanding, repainting, re-bending, replacing, renting a coil press, wasting my time to take off what would be perfectly good struts and replace them."

Also, the seller explained in his for sale thread that there "were 8k miles on them while they were on his car", and he didn't know about the previous owner. Since he was offering information about the condition of the items in his for sale thread, it would be expected that broken or bent items would also be explained.

Plain and simple.
 
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Old 11-16-2010 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Xet
I completely disagree, he said struts were included. That tells absolutely nothing about the condition or usability, in fact a short statement like that would make almost anyone believe there is something probably wrong with them. A failure to ask condition and even mileage on the struts is completely the fault of the OP. Everyone who buys stuff on forums know one of your first questions should always be about condition and it seems like the OP decided to skip that part and therefore chris shouldn't be held liable at all for the struts.
You think that it is up to the buyer to make sure something is in good condition before they buy it? Isn't that assumed? Why would he want damaged goods?

By your logic, it would be perfectly okay if someone bought a used car and a week later it stops running. "Oh, i haven't changed the oil in 30,000 miles. Thats your fault for not asking before u bought it." It's the sellers responsibility to give a detailed description of the goods. If something is damaged or worn, they should mention it.

It's kinda pathetic that we live in a world where one has to spend sometimes hours researching purchases to make sure they aren't getting scammed. The OP assumed he was dealing with someone being 100% upfront. I'm not saying chris is a bad guy or anything, but he was sure lazy about this whole deal.
 
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Old 11-16-2010 | 05:04 PM
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^^its more sad that jus becus people here knows the seller its ok for the seller to make that kind of transaction. pretty sad all the hypocrits here. if it had happend to them theyd be doing the exact same thing the op did
 


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