do these cars really need the premium gas or can we put midgrade in them??
Originally Posted by OCG35
The G is a semi-luxury vehicle... I wouldn’t even really consider it a luxury car necessarily.
Just because it's not a base priced car, does not make it anything more than it is = an avg priced nice car. I don’t know why it’s so hard for some people to grasp that.
As for who can afford one? Whatever - there are enough cars to fit everyone’s needs... used, new, sporty, utility, etc, etc...
Originally Posted by AGThing1227
You are right about the average car is a G35 and its price. Because all of those $100k+ cars equal out the $18k base models. Therefore bringing it up to ~$40k. However, how many people can afford average? I can tell you that a single parent(with only having 1 child, imagine 2 or even 3 kids) making $40,000 a year can not afford that car without making large sacrafices. And the last time I checked there are more and more single parents.
I'm sorry about the name calling btw.
Originally Posted by 2K4G35c
The correct terminology is entry level luxury car, thank you. Seems both you and I are nowhere near being able to communicate on the same wavelength. However, the only pig farmer around here is you. Big D stands for Dallas, Texas. FYI it's a major metrolplitan city. The G might not be a 911 GT3, however, I can guarantee nowhere in this country can the average citizen afford it. Gotta go, have some work to do.
However, it depends on what your spending prioreties are. Some people live in ****ty apartments, but they have a g35 with 30,000 invested in it. Or the exact oppisite.
It's just like how 2 people make the same amount of money, 1 is much richer because he only buys the 5 for $20 t-shirts, while the other buys a $150 affliction shirt.
Originally Posted by Darkstar752
Your not buying it all at once, you can buy a used one and be paying 250 a month for 4 years, which a lot of people can afford, but choose to spend it on other things.
I'm sorry about the name calling btw.
I'm sorry about the name calling btw.
Originally Posted by Darkstar752
Your not buying it all at once, you can buy a used one and be paying 250 a month for 4 years, which a lot of people can afford, but choose to spend it on other things.
I'm sorry about the name calling btw.
I'm sorry about the name calling btw.
$3000/month
$700 mortgage
$400 utilities
$300 retirement
$500 savings
$150 phones etc
That leaves you with $950/month left. They are estimates and may be more or less for some people. But remember with that $950 you still have to pay for food/cloths/car/gas/insurance. A G35 probably runs people $380/month on average(again rough figure, $100 insurance and $200 gas) and thats not even including your $250 per month payment. That adds up to $630. Leaving you $330/month for everything I just listed in the bold and any other things. I don't know what the average salary is but this seems about right for most people around me.
Originally Posted by BlueDevilBAMF
So, um, this thread just got a lot more interesting.
And 2K4G35c, you're an idiot.
And 2K4G35c, you're an idiot.
Oh, well guess we have to be courteous around here to women.
Originally Posted by Darkstar752
Your not buying it all at once, you can buy a used one and be paying 250 a month for 4 years, which a lot of people can afford, but choose to spend it on other things.
I'm sorry about the name calling btw.
I'm sorry about the name calling btw.
Originally Posted by 2K4G35c
$250 a month? Could you please provide numbers on this figure? A new Coupe fully-loaded runs anywhere from $35-$40K. Don't think I've ever owned a $250 a month car, ever. Guess most people are calculating the car to be a used 2K3 that costs around $15k, OTD. Am I right on that?
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Originally Posted by Lizard 1
Fuel costs are a major issue for anyone who drives more than a few miles one way to work. For us who drive every day for work, fuel has increased over 30% (for my budget). Seeing that my tank on my car I drive is 12 gallons and I fill up twice a week minimal, that is about 100 gallons a month I burn. When I was paying almost $2 less a gallon, that means I am paying about $200 a month more for an expense I don't get back. Not big numbers should I have a 20 gallon tank or our 36 gallon diesel truck tank, but it is an added expense. Hell, it is almost a lease payment for some of you out there...
Too many people on here are saying it is only $4 more. True, but that $4 more is including the price of fuel has jumped so severely in only two years. What we pay now for fuel is almost double what we paid two years ago and many have not received cost of living increases in pay to offset it. Things like food and expendable products we use that are dependant on fuel are also increasing. It becomes more than just $4 a fill up...
Bashing a guy and saying "If you own a G and cannot afford Premium, you shouldn't own one" is a holier than thou comment and seeing a lot of you guys are running older Gs and are younger drivers, I think that's kinda like the pot calling the kettle black...
Run what you want, but I am here to say that if you run your car hard and spirited and in a performance manner, you need 93. However, if you drive like that, you're not driving a ton of miles a day and therefore it means little. If you drive say 50 miles round trip and in basic conditions and under stop and go or traffic, 87 will work fine. If you drive like me and the car is always being ran 100 miles one way before it is shut off and you do heavy driving and are even spirited on numerous occasions, 87 will work great and the savings can be put towards something that means more - oil changes, filters, fuel additives, etc. Of course, like everyone else here, it is my opinion and not based on any facts so, take it for what it is worth, but I'm not going to bash anyone and feel I am better than anyone who cannot afford the fuel for what appears to be an elitist machine...
Too many people on here are saying it is only $4 more. True, but that $4 more is including the price of fuel has jumped so severely in only two years. What we pay now for fuel is almost double what we paid two years ago and many have not received cost of living increases in pay to offset it. Things like food and expendable products we use that are dependant on fuel are also increasing. It becomes more than just $4 a fill up...
Bashing a guy and saying "If you own a G and cannot afford Premium, you shouldn't own one" is a holier than thou comment and seeing a lot of you guys are running older Gs and are younger drivers, I think that's kinda like the pot calling the kettle black...
Run what you want, but I am here to say that if you run your car hard and spirited and in a performance manner, you need 93. However, if you drive like that, you're not driving a ton of miles a day and therefore it means little. If you drive say 50 miles round trip and in basic conditions and under stop and go or traffic, 87 will work fine. If you drive like me and the car is always being ran 100 miles one way before it is shut off and you do heavy driving and are even spirited on numerous occasions, 87 will work great and the savings can be put towards something that means more - oil changes, filters, fuel additives, etc. Of course, like everyone else here, it is my opinion and not based on any facts so, take it for what it is worth, but I'm not going to bash anyone and feel I am better than anyone who cannot afford the fuel for what appears to be an elitist machine...
Also, if you have a 12 gallon tank, you don;t have a G.
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Originally Posted by jgainnm
Couldn't disagree more (and I'm about 3.5 x 17 in age). As I posted on another thread, I get 5-8% worse mileage by using midgrade instead of premium under similat driving conditions. So, if the price of midgrade isn't 5-8% less than premium, it's a bad trade-off.
Also, if you have a 12 gallon tank, you don;t have a G.
Also, if you have a 12 gallon tank, you don;t have a G.
OK, reading comprehension is next year's college course line up, but... The example I was using stating MY WORK vehicle, is a car with a 12 gallon tank. I also have a Diesel truck we use for pulling a trailer, etc. My wife has a G35. I was using a cost comparison to show it really doesn't matter what you drive, fuel is an increased cost of living. A lot of you guys arguing on here are 17 or thereabouts and have no idea of what cost of living means. Get married, get a well paying job, have a wife that makes almost as much and have kids, own your own home and pay on a couple of vehicles you drive. Once you do all those things, you will HAVE to note that not only does fuel add to the bills, the cost of food has gone up fairly rapidly in relationship to the cost of fuel. Meaning, that truck that delivers your cookies costs more to truck across country than it did a year ago. By a large number, too. Thus, costs on pretty much everything relating to trucks and farmers has gone up. That is called an increase in the cost of living.
This whole "do you really need it?" is pointless. The phone example is a good point. I choose ANYTHING. I chose the job I have. In choosing it, I needed a phone I can use for work. The basic free phone from AT&T doesn't get stuff done I need. I could also not use my laptop I bought because supposedly, I don't "need" it according to some. In fact, I do. Well, unless I want to lose customers and orders and not make more money each year...
Back on topic... Hell, the one guy 2K4 apparently has a 2004 G35 and thinks it is a luxury car even though it was about $38k max OTD. He most likely bought it used and paid about $20k max for it, but likes to tell everyone he has an Infiniti. Cool it means so much to him, but to think it is a luxury vehicle and on the same plane as say, an R8 or something like that is crazy...
The whole argument over a $30k car being really average and then arguing it makes you sound silly. The examples are spot on. Sure, used cars are different in terms of average price, but we're talking new here. The G35 is a car SLIGHTLY above average in terms of price. I think for what you get, you get a really good car, mind you, but it isn't a luxury car. Is the New BMW 1 series base model a luxury car because it has BMW on the tail like the 7 series does? Afterall, you can buy a Chevy Malibu for over $30k. Is that a "luxury" car??
All these guys with the right mindset are getting their points across to us out here that get it, I applaud you. The ones who can't get it, you need to make sure your home by 6 to not upset Mom and Dad for being late to dinner...
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Originally Posted by 2K4G35c
And where did this girl come from?
Oh, well guess we have to be courteous around here to women.
Oh, well guess we have to be courteous around here to women.
No need for name calling, etc - argue the post, not the poster.
Did you happen to read the article I provided about average new car prices in the US?
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Originally Posted by Lizard 1
First, how to you arrive at 5-8%? You're saying that you can get (an example here) 400 miles a tank at 20 miles per gallon and that when you use Mid Grade, you get 20 miles less per tank? Do you realize just how easy it is to drop 20 miles a tank due to situations that you don't even know are going on? That kind of test needs to be done at the same time of day, same temp, same stretch of road, same % of throttle, etc to say Mid Grade is 5-8% down on Premium... It's no different than people saying they get 350 per tank vs. a guy who says they get 425 per tank. Do you get the EXACT same miles per fill up when you run Premium? I can guarantee you cannot get the EXACT same miles between fill ups each time. There's always going to be variables that will account for a measly 5-8%... Are you kidding me?
OK, reading comprehension is next year's college course line up, but... The example I was using stating MY WORK vehicle, is a car with a 12 gallon tank. I also have a Diesel truck we use for pulling a trailer, etc. My wife has a G35. I was using a cost comparison to show it really doesn't matter what you drive, fuel is an increased cost of living. A lot of you guys arguing on here are 17 or thereabouts and have no idea of what cost of living means. Get married, get a well paying job, have a wife that makes almost as much and have kids, own your own home and pay on a couple of vehicles you drive. Once you do all those things, you will HAVE to note that not only does fuel add to the bills, the cost of food has gone up fairly rapidly in relationship to the cost of fuel. Meaning, that truck that delivers your cookies costs more to truck across country than it did a year ago. By a large number, too. Thus, costs on pretty much everything relating to trucks and farmers has gone up. That is called an increase in the cost of living.
This whole "do you really need it?" is pointless. The phone example is a good point. I choose ANYTHING. I chose the job I have. In choosing it, I needed a phone I can use for work. The basic free phone from AT&T doesn't get stuff done I need. I could also not use my laptop I bought because supposedly, I don't "need" it according to some. In fact, I do. Well, unless I want to lose customers and orders and not make more money each year...
Back on topic... Hell, the one guy 2K4 apparently has a 2004 G35 and thinks it is a luxury car even though it was about $38k max OTD. He most likely bought it used and paid about $20k max for it, but likes to tell everyone he has an Infiniti. Cool it means so much to him, but to think it is a luxury vehicle and on the same plane as say, an R8 or something like that is crazy...
The whole argument over a $30k car being really average and then arguing it makes you sound silly. The examples are spot on. Sure, used cars are different in terms of average price, but we're talking new here. The G35 is a car SLIGHTLY above average in terms of price. I think for what you get, you get a really good car, mind you, but it isn't a luxury car. Is the New BMW 1 series base model a luxury car because it has BMW on the tail like the 7 series does? Afterall, you can buy a Chevy Malibu for over $30k. Is that a "luxury" car??
All these guys with the right mindset are getting their points across to us out here that get it, I applaud you. The ones who can't get it, you need to make sure your home by 6 to not upset Mom and Dad for being late to dinner...
OK, reading comprehension is next year's college course line up, but... The example I was using stating MY WORK vehicle, is a car with a 12 gallon tank. I also have a Diesel truck we use for pulling a trailer, etc. My wife has a G35. I was using a cost comparison to show it really doesn't matter what you drive, fuel is an increased cost of living. A lot of you guys arguing on here are 17 or thereabouts and have no idea of what cost of living means. Get married, get a well paying job, have a wife that makes almost as much and have kids, own your own home and pay on a couple of vehicles you drive. Once you do all those things, you will HAVE to note that not only does fuel add to the bills, the cost of food has gone up fairly rapidly in relationship to the cost of fuel. Meaning, that truck that delivers your cookies costs more to truck across country than it did a year ago. By a large number, too. Thus, costs on pretty much everything relating to trucks and farmers has gone up. That is called an increase in the cost of living.
This whole "do you really need it?" is pointless. The phone example is a good point. I choose ANYTHING. I chose the job I have. In choosing it, I needed a phone I can use for work. The basic free phone from AT&T doesn't get stuff done I need. I could also not use my laptop I bought because supposedly, I don't "need" it according to some. In fact, I do. Well, unless I want to lose customers and orders and not make more money each year...
Back on topic... Hell, the one guy 2K4 apparently has a 2004 G35 and thinks it is a luxury car even though it was about $38k max OTD. He most likely bought it used and paid about $20k max for it, but likes to tell everyone he has an Infiniti. Cool it means so much to him, but to think it is a luxury vehicle and on the same plane as say, an R8 or something like that is crazy...
The whole argument over a $30k car being really average and then arguing it makes you sound silly. The examples are spot on. Sure, used cars are different in terms of average price, but we're talking new here. The G35 is a car SLIGHTLY above average in terms of price. I think for what you get, you get a really good car, mind you, but it isn't a luxury car. Is the New BMW 1 series base model a luxury car because it has BMW on the tail like the 7 series does? Afterall, you can buy a Chevy Malibu for over $30k. Is that a "luxury" car??
All these guys with the right mindset are getting their points across to us out here that get it, I applaud you. The ones who can't get it, you need to make sure your home by 6 to not upset Mom and Dad for being late to dinner...
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Originally Posted by kevink
One of the reasons I went ahead with my G35 purchase is that it wasn't all that much more than the Maxima was, by the time I factored in the features I wanted on the Maxima.
I think you over estimated the price of the "average" pickup. Just did a little checking, and a midsized F150 (extended cab, XLT, 4.6L V8) was about $27000 suggested retail. Now, you CAN go overboard on every option, crew cab, etc, and spend over $40K, especially if you also decide on 4x4, leather, etc. But i suspect the average F150 is less than $30K. Now, if you factor in 3/4 ton and 1 tons, the prices do go up too. Or you can do what I did 6 years ago. Buy a 5 1/2 year old pickup for considerably less than new prices. Unlike with my G35, I didn't have to buy new to get what I wanted.
I think you over estimated the price of the "average" pickup. Just did a little checking, and a midsized F150 (extended cab, XLT, 4.6L V8) was about $27000 suggested retail. Now, you CAN go overboard on every option, crew cab, etc, and spend over $40K, especially if you also decide on 4x4, leather, etc. But i suspect the average F150 is less than $30K. Now, if you factor in 3/4 ton and 1 tons, the prices do go up too. Or you can do what I did 6 years ago. Buy a 5 1/2 year old pickup for considerably less than new prices. Unlike with my G35, I didn't have to buy new to get what I wanted.
I went to breakfast this weekend and then walked the Chevy dealership and looked at trucks - it was a nice morning.. They had a red Z06 too.
Most of the trucks on the lot were 2500s, and most were 4X4. Call it luck of the draw. Upper 20K to mid 30K on the stickers for most.
My frame of reference is my own truck, which is off the average. I have a 4X4 diesel and it was stickered at $42K back in 2004. The same truck today is $50K. My reference was skewed - I spoke incorrectly.
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Originally Posted by GeeWillikers
Who let the adult in the thread?
It's crazy... Anyways, this is supposed to be a constructive office day for me. I need to get back to work... Have fun with these guys!!