Is it just me or is Infiniti going backwards on the G35?
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You're crazy if you think their going backwards. Projectors, intelligent key, bluetooth, memory seats... all things that make the car better than the previous years. Going backwards means adding a freakin cassette player
You can look at all the reviews since 2003. The non-brembo model stopped faster than the Brembo models. And that was with skinnier tires too.
Never had brake fad on my 04, but it definitely wore through brakes in 15k of miles. The 05 is doing much better.
Your last comment is so out there it isn't funny. Do some research. The brembos were removed due to complaints from customers. Not because it was to save money.
Never had brake fad on my 04, but it definitely wore through brakes in 15k of miles. The 05 is doing much better.
Your last comment is so out there it isn't funny. Do some research. The brembos were removed due to complaints from customers. Not because it was to save money.
Originally Posted by g35pat
Brembo/Non-Brembo cannot be evaluated by stoping distance only and where does it say that the non-Brembo has better stoping distance? Were two of them, with same tire wear, on the same track, ever compared? One thing for sure, brake fade is a significantly less apparent on the Brembo. My G35 is almost 3 years old, I never heard brake noise and my brake pad are only 1/2 used with 25K (driving moderately hard). No issue with brake dust; I wash my car weekly.
As for the non-Brembo equiped 2003.3 G35, their brake weren't covered by waranty when the car was released. Only after much trouble and complaint, Infiniti decided to cover the brakes. There were no issue with the Brembo; therefore, Infiniti didn't extend the coverage to them.
Why can't the 05 owner realise that the only reason Infiniti removed the Brembo was to pay for the nicer looking interior? (Wrong choice IMO)
As for the non-Brembo equiped 2003.3 G35, their brake weren't covered by waranty when the car was released. Only after much trouble and complaint, Infiniti decided to cover the brakes. There were no issue with the Brembo; therefore, Infiniti didn't extend the coverage to them.
Why can't the 05 owner realise that the only reason Infiniti removed the Brembo was to pay for the nicer looking interior? (Wrong choice IMO)
It's in the pad compound. You put better fluid. pad on a 05 brake system, it will not have a fade issue. Brembo vs it, you won't have issues. Plus the 05 brakes are cheaper to fix.
Originally Posted by tekknikal
wow, many people here have some serious misunderstandings about what makes a superior braking system.
i'd say there are 3 major parts:
1. feel
2. stopping distance
3. fade resistance
sure, the 05,04, or whatever may stop a few feet shorter in seperate tests done on seperate days. if you want to count that, fine. if you even want to count same-day, same-car, fine. the fact remains that the brembos are more fade resistant and offer better feel, the two most important components.
The few feet they may sacrafice on one cold use is ok. its more than made up for in every subsequent application (something magazines rarely test) and they offer better feel.
you may say that brake feel doesnt matter. if you trivialize this, you can go ahead and trivialize steering feel. at that point, you can go ahead and buy a front wheel drive Acura TL. It's a beautiful car although it lacks the feel and dynamics of a GT coupe... or let me guess, you prefer the looks of the G? Shallow thoughts for people who claim brembo to be an overhyped yellow badge.
Regarding reliability, cost, and warranty of brembos: there are no known issues with their reliability. parts for them cost more, but then again, parts for your engine cost more than parts for the Sentra's 2.5L. Regarding the warranty, most brake systems rotors and pads are wear and tear and are almost never warrantied anyway. the reason why they were warrantied on the 04 G was becuase they were faulty.
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edit: actually the stopping distance is, to a large extent, a function of fade resistance.
ie stop brembo and non-brembo cars a few times and then see which stops in a shorter distance.
edit2: you may argue the added performance of the brembos is not needed. But then again, neither is the power of the VQ35. i would agree with the poster that said that it's up to the purchaser to decide what's adequate.. to be sure, both are 'enough' for the streets.
i'd say there are 3 major parts:
1. feel
2. stopping distance
3. fade resistance
sure, the 05,04, or whatever may stop a few feet shorter in seperate tests done on seperate days. if you want to count that, fine. if you even want to count same-day, same-car, fine. the fact remains that the brembos are more fade resistant and offer better feel, the two most important components.
The few feet they may sacrafice on one cold use is ok. its more than made up for in every subsequent application (something magazines rarely test) and they offer better feel.
you may say that brake feel doesnt matter. if you trivialize this, you can go ahead and trivialize steering feel. at that point, you can go ahead and buy a front wheel drive Acura TL. It's a beautiful car although it lacks the feel and dynamics of a GT coupe... or let me guess, you prefer the looks of the G? Shallow thoughts for people who claim brembo to be an overhyped yellow badge.
Regarding reliability, cost, and warranty of brembos: there are no known issues with their reliability. parts for them cost more, but then again, parts for your engine cost more than parts for the Sentra's 2.5L. Regarding the warranty, most brake systems rotors and pads are wear and tear and are almost never warrantied anyway. the reason why they were warrantied on the 04 G was becuase they were faulty.
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edit: actually the stopping distance is, to a large extent, a function of fade resistance.
ie stop brembo and non-brembo cars a few times and then see which stops in a shorter distance.
edit2: you may argue the added performance of the brembos is not needed. But then again, neither is the power of the VQ35. i would agree with the poster that said that it's up to the purchaser to decide what's adequate.. to be sure, both are 'enough' for the streets.
Originally Posted by vasqo
.. based only on your imagination... The brembos not only have a shorter stoping distance ( 3 magazines can confirm that with tests) but they also resist fade where it counts - on the trak. Now, most of us dont track our cars, if I did, I would definitely upgrade the stock brembos. The point is the 03' 04 brembos are better when it comes to stopping power and fade resistence than the infiniti stock brakes on the AT models!!!
Same as the 05 models.
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G35_TX - Get your fact right - sorry to burst your 05 bubble.
Motor Trend Jan 2003 (Car of the Year - page 75) did a side by side comparaison of Sedan (non-Brembo) and Coupe (Brembo). Eventhough the Coupe is heavier, stoping distance was 2 feet less from 60-0mhp.
If Nissan had problem with Brembo, they would have dropped it from their 350Z; wouldn't they? Review the early post - G35 OEM brakes had problems - not Brembo. The reason they dropped the Brembo is that Infiniti felt that the G35 was a "luxury" coupe and therefore, didn't need the extra performance. Potential buyers would preffer the Aluminum interior... (maybe you would - but not me!)
Motor Trend Jan 2003 (Car of the Year - page 75) did a side by side comparaison of Sedan (non-Brembo) and Coupe (Brembo). Eventhough the Coupe is heavier, stoping distance was 2 feet less from 60-0mhp.
If Nissan had problem with Brembo, they would have dropped it from their 350Z; wouldn't they? Review the early post - G35 OEM brakes had problems - not Brembo. The reason they dropped the Brembo is that Infiniti felt that the G35 was a "luxury" coupe and therefore, didn't need the extra performance. Potential buyers would preffer the Aluminum interior... (maybe you would - but not me!)
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Originally Posted by g35pat
G35_TX - Get your fact right - sorry to burst your 05 bubble.
Motor Trend Jan 2003 (Car of the Year - page 75) did a side by side comparaison of Sedan (non-Brembo) and Coupe (Brembo). Eventhough the Coupe is heavier, stoping distance was 2 feet less from 60-0mhp.
If Nissan had problem with Brembo, they would have dropped it from their 350Z; wouldn't they? Review the early post - G35 OEM brakes had problems - not Brembo. The reason they dropped the Brembo is that Infiniti felt that the G35 was a "luxury" coupe and therefore, didn't need the extra performance. Potential buyers would preffer the Aluminum interior... (maybe you would - but not me!)
Motor Trend Jan 2003 (Car of the Year - page 75) did a side by side comparaison of Sedan (non-Brembo) and Coupe (Brembo). Eventhough the Coupe is heavier, stoping distance was 2 feet less from 60-0mhp.
If Nissan had problem with Brembo, they would have dropped it from their 350Z; wouldn't they? Review the early post - G35 OEM brakes had problems - not Brembo. The reason they dropped the Brembo is that Infiniti felt that the G35 was a "luxury" coupe and therefore, didn't need the extra performance. Potential buyers would preffer the Aluminum interior... (maybe you would - but not me!)
And according to every other post in this thread, how could you possibly compare that? You're not even comparing the same car, everyone has a fit when the conditions aren't exactly the same, i wonder what they'll do when youre not even talking about the same car, probably drop dead in disbelief that you would even suggest such a thing!
I guess no comparisons will ever be valid for anything unless ever single factor is identical eh?
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Originally Posted by G35_TX
I suggest you back that statement up. Because all the tests prove you wrong. The 03-04 skinny tire sedans without brembos stopped faster than the coupe with brembos and bigger tires.
Same as the 05 models.
Same as the 05 models.
Originally Posted by g35pat
G35_TX - Get your fact right - sorry to burst your 05 bubble.
Motor Trend Jan 2003 (Car of the Year - page 75) did a side by side comparaison of Sedan (non-Brembo) and Coupe (Brembo). Eventhough the Coupe is heavier, stoping distance was 2 feet less from 60-0mhp.
If Nissan had problem with Brembo, they would have dropped it from their 350Z; wouldn't they? Review the early post - G35 OEM brakes had problems - not Brembo. The reason they dropped the Brembo is that Infiniti felt that the G35 was a "luxury" coupe and therefore, didn't need the extra performance. Potential buyers would preffer the Aluminum interior... (maybe you would - but not me!)
Motor Trend Jan 2003 (Car of the Year - page 75) did a side by side comparaison of Sedan (non-Brembo) and Coupe (Brembo). Eventhough the Coupe is heavier, stoping distance was 2 feet less from 60-0mhp.
If Nissan had problem with Brembo, they would have dropped it from their 350Z; wouldn't they? Review the early post - G35 OEM brakes had problems - not Brembo. The reason they dropped the Brembo is that Infiniti felt that the G35 was a "luxury" coupe and therefore, didn't need the extra performance. Potential buyers would preffer the Aluminum interior... (maybe you would - but not me!)
Out of all the tests done, the G35 Sedan non-brembo has out braked the Brembo versions. There maybe one test that didn't, but most of them did.
If it wasn't so late I would look up all the articles, maybe tomorrow if no one beat me too it. But I suggest do a search.
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MC2 - I was only responding to G35TX who stated "The 03-04 skinny tire sedans without brembos stopped faster than the coupe with brembos and bigger tires." (thread before mine). I wasn't comparing 03/04 Coupe with Brembo vs 05 OEM. However, if the 05 OEM would be higher performance than Brembo, my guess is that Nissan engineer would equip their 35th Anniversary 350Z with the better brakes. However, that is not the case.
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Originally Posted by g35pat
MC2 - I was only responding to G35TX who stated "The 03-04 skinny tire sedans without brembos stopped faster than the coupe with brembos and bigger tires." (thread before mine). I wasn't comparing 03/04 Coupe with Brembo vs 05 OEM. However, if the 05 OEM would be higher performance than Brembo, my guess is that Nissan engineer would equip their 35th Anniversary 350Z with the better brakes. However, that is not the case.
I never said the 05's perform better. As i mentioned twice before the Brembos will outperform the 05 stockers. They will exhibit less fade and allow for better modulation of the brakes. But people seem to think the brembos are far superior to the stockers, when indeed they are not, especially for street use, which i would guess 90% of the board members fall into, because the stockers actually have a shorter stopping distance by a couple of feet. However, if you were to repeatedly use them, this is where you would notice the brembo's may pay off. But then when youre slapped in the face with a 1500 dollar bill just for the front brakes, you'll realize maybe not.
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MC2 - I agree 100% with your post. Sorry for the confusion.
G35_TX - Back your statement with facts (side by side compare of 03/04 sedan and Coupe 6MT-same review/same issue). Note: The fact that your have more post than I does not make me a "noob" - I can and will correct you if I think your post has innacurate infomation. If I was responding with the same tone as you, I could always say "Post on this forum when you get a Coupe".
G35_TX - Back your statement with facts (side by side compare of 03/04 sedan and Coupe 6MT-same review/same issue). Note: The fact that your have more post than I does not make me a "noob" - I can and will correct you if I think your post has innacurate infomation. If I was responding with the same tone as you, I could always say "Post on this forum when you get a Coupe".
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Originally Posted by mc2
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this is EXACTLY the guy that gee im fast is talkinga bout.....
why do they need to come with brembos when the 05 stockers have shorter stopping distance than the brembos from previous years?
this is EXACTLY the guy that gee im fast is talkinga bout.....
why do they need to come with brembos when the 05 stockers have shorter stopping distance than the brembos from previous years?
You can Track and Auto cross with Regular Calipers But Run a Few HOT LAPS and See Which Brakes Have Better Fade Resistance?? 
Maybe for you "Regular" Drivers they may be fine. But As Someone Who Squeezes I Have Much Better Peace of mind Having My BREMBOS........ 