What type of oil are you guys using?
#91
Uhh no they're not. The design is very different. One has two intakes while the other has only one. That's a big difference in itself. In any case, you did say it was specific for our engine. I'm just merely correcting your mistake.
#93
Cheaper than most synthetic oils out there and probably perform just about the same. Those minute differences are so insignificant I don't even know why you have to bring it up.
The graph is informative, but not really giving an overall picture of real time use and how much longer our engine can last using one brand over another.
"Oh gee Mommy! My engine can now last 550k instead of 500k because I used Brand X over Brand Y! I'm so happy! Two thumbs up!"
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#95
You are exactly one of those people who just sees what they want to see. This is exactly the sort of tunnel visioned people we need in the world. Great job. You're the one oil companies would love to have as a consumer.
All these lab oil analysis data should honestly be taken with a grain of salt. The data would only affect those 0.0001% of drivers who would actually see a difference driving hundreds of thousands of miles.
Did you read the study where they compared synthetic oil to dino oil in nyc cabs for two years in Consumer Reports? It made no significant difference in engine longevity.
See? I can pull useless but relevant data out of my butt too. Your graph is also probably only tested on only couple of specific engines. It has to be repeated over many times for anything to be significant. Haven't you taken high school level statistics class?
Plus, how do you know that these engines weren't running dino oil before switching over to their brand of oil? This isn't a study that's been really detailed.
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most people use oil but dont know exactly how its affecting their engine rather big or small. thats why they send it off to get analyzed. those that have engine issues the damage is already done from years of using that oil. most of the time the engine will seem fine when in reality is slowly grinding away
#98
most people use oil but dont know exactly how its affecting their engine rather big or small. thats why they send it off to get analyzed. those that have engine issues the damage is already done from years of using that oil. most of the time the engine will seem fine when in reality is slowly grinding away
200k miles? 300k miles? How many miles do you think?
Now what about other components? Transmission? How long do you think that will last? Will the engine failure be sooner than transmission failure? Will it fail long after I decide to get a new car anyways?
I've seen your previous posts. You've been against Mobil 1 and have been trying to rally up specific "stories" to support your cause. To the general public, Mobil 1 is much better than Dino Oil and it keeps the engine fine for a long time. What about the previous poster that said his UOA on his Mobil 1 is fine? Are you just going to ignore him too?
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Yes, but the damage that will cause catastrophic failure is how many miles down the road? Do you have an answer to that?
200k miles? 300k miles? How many miles do you think?
Now what about other components? Transmission? How long do you think that will last? Will the engine failure be sooner than transmission failure? Will it fail long after I decide to get a new car anyways?
I've seen your previous posts. You've been against Mobil 1 and have been trying to rally up specific "stories" to support your cause. To the general public, Mobil 1 is much better than Dino Oil and it keeps the engine fine for a long time. What about the previous poster that said his UOA on his Mobil 1 is fine? Are you just going to ignore him too?
200k miles? 300k miles? How many miles do you think?
Now what about other components? Transmission? How long do you think that will last? Will the engine failure be sooner than transmission failure? Will it fail long after I decide to get a new car anyways?
I've seen your previous posts. You've been against Mobil 1 and have been trying to rally up specific "stories" to support your cause. To the general public, Mobil 1 is much better than Dino Oil and it keeps the engine fine for a long time. What about the previous poster that said his UOA on his Mobil 1 is fine? Are you just going to ignore him too?
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#101
sup everyone i got my car at 60000 miles and have been useing mobil 1 5w30 and sometimes 10w30,ive been burning about 2 quarts every 3000 mile on the mobil1.the last 3 oil changes ive been useing dino castrol high millage 10w30 and seen my oil consumption go down from 2 quarts to 1 quart..
needless to say im a happy camper :-)
2004 g35 coupe 6mt
mileage 108,000
needless to say im a happy camper :-)
2004 g35 coupe 6mt
mileage 108,000
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#104
sup everyone i got my car at 60000 miles and have been useing mobil 1 5w30 and sometimes 10w30,ive been burning about 2 quarts every 3000 mile on the mobil1.the last 3 oil changes ive been useing dino castrol high millage 10w30 and seen my oil consumption go down from 2 quarts to 1 quart..
needless to say im a happy camper :-)
2004 g35 coupe 6mt
mileage 108,000
needless to say im a happy camper :-)
2004 g35 coupe 6mt
mileage 108,000
This is obvious. His car was originally running on dino oil and switched to synthetic. Synthetic oil is thinner and can go through leaky gaskets easier than dino oil.
This doesn't say anything, and there's nothing out of the ordinary. If he used any synthetic oil the result would be the same. The leaking has nothing to do with Mobil 1 being bad or anything. Again, this proves that saywat? is just trying to bash Mobil 1 just because one graph said it was bad for the DE engines. Maybe you should read up on BITOG. Lots of helpful information there.
What is obvious is that his engine has a leaky gasket somewhere and should be fixed. Type of oil does nothing to his car.
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#105
Ok, so that's a cute little chart, but it doesn't really amount to squat other that to articulate some random numerical differences in a collection of statistics. You have apparently interpreted it to mean a clear distinction between what's good and what's bad, when it really just shows how each compares to each other and to the collective samples. However interesting that all may be, without a reference it does not demonstrate one way or the other that any of them would not suffice for your car.
Think of it this way:
If it takes 'X' amount of a given measurement to make a 5,000 miles difference in the life of your engine, and you present a chart which shows Brand-A oil measures trace quantities = 'X/5,000' and Brand-B oil measures trace quantities = 'X/10,000' , then you can theoretically say that Brand-B is twice as good as Brand-A because it only measured half the quantity, but the REALLY RELEVANT info is that in real terms you only lost 1 mile of lifespan with Brand-A and 1/2 mile of lifespan with Brand-B. Now, say over the lifetime of your car ownership, you change your oil 20, 30, 40, ??, or however many times, the net difference that could be realized by using one brand versus the other is still likely expressed in just two digits. BFD!![Confused2](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/confused2.gif)
I'm not saying that my example is accurate; just that without a relative reference for what those values in the chart really amount to in terms of differences in engine lifespan, then as my example potentially demonstrates, it's possibly worth nothing more than bragging rights and mental masturbation.![Dunno](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
OH jeez! **slaps forehead**
If you're really burning that much oil then you have a significant problem with your engine AND NOT with the particular oil.
Think of it this way:
If it takes 'X' amount of a given measurement to make a 5,000 miles difference in the life of your engine, and you present a chart which shows Brand-A oil measures trace quantities = 'X/5,000' and Brand-B oil measures trace quantities = 'X/10,000' , then you can theoretically say that Brand-B is twice as good as Brand-A because it only measured half the quantity, but the REALLY RELEVANT info is that in real terms you only lost 1 mile of lifespan with Brand-A and 1/2 mile of lifespan with Brand-B. Now, say over the lifetime of your car ownership, you change your oil 20, 30, 40, ??, or however many times, the net difference that could be realized by using one brand versus the other is still likely expressed in just two digits. BFD!
![Confused2](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/confused2.gif)
I'm not saying that my example is accurate; just that without a relative reference for what those values in the chart really amount to in terms of differences in engine lifespan, then as my example potentially demonstrates, it's possibly worth nothing more than bragging rights and mental masturbation.
![Dunno](https://g35driver.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
sup everyone i got my car at 60000 miles and have been useing mobil 1 5w30 and sometimes 10w30,ive been burning about 2 quarts every 3000 mile on the mobil1.the last 3 oil changes ive been useing dino castrol high millage 10w30 and seen my oil consumption go down from 2 quarts to 1 quart..
needless to say im a happy camper :-)
2004 g35 coupe 6mt
mileage 108,000
needless to say im a happy camper :-)
2004 g35 coupe 6mt
mileage 108,000
If you're really burning that much oil then you have a significant problem with your engine AND NOT with the particular oil.