My point was you misquoted me. I didn't make the blanket statements you said I did, and so I pointed that out. And I also pointed out that you made several blanket statements of your own, albeit with "on my car" at the beginning. I then said all I had to do was start everything off with "on my car" and nobody would call me out on anything I said.

Whether your mileage changed or not is not inconsistent with my statement that "if anything you'll get slightly worse mileage ... potential heatsoak issues." Unless you've done very detailed calculations of your mileage, including all weather related variables, then your mileage statement is just as "blanket-y" as you accuse mine of being. You don't know if your mileage is the same or slightly worse with the Stillen, you couldn't possibly know that, so don't get on my case for mentioning theoretical problems with the Stillen. Heatsoak can cause lower mileage, and loss of power, and the Stillen is more susceptible to heatsoak than the stock unit, which you agree with, so my statements are completely valid and nothing you said changes that.

I don't want to argue either, but I will call someone out when they misquote me. My goal was to educate the guy looking at the Stillen and make sure he doesn't buy all the marketing hype about all the improvements it will make when it's been pretty much agreed here that other than a different intake sound, there's no measurable difference in performance between the Stillen and the OEM airbox + Z-tube, and that if he wanted performance, his money would be better spent towards a spacer instead of on the Stillen. I think we agree on that.

Peace.

 

i do want performance but im aware that the stillen wont give me any gains. but i havea 06 mt, and thers no point of spacers with the mrev.. and since im under warranty, i dont wanna go that path right now

 

I paraphrased what you said - and it was accurate (I even quoted your post to prove it)... I do know that the Stillen didn’t lower my mpg because I calculate long trips... and the recent 100 mile I mentioned using it was one way (with OEM) - and the 100 back was exact same route with the Stillen...

The funny thing is - you keep telling me my statements have no merit because I haven’t done conclusive testing... yet I've offered much more information as to why I made my statements than you have about any of your claims... you haven’t done any amount of "technical testing" to prove your statements either.

Bottom line is; you implied to the guy that Stillen would likely lower mpg (which is false - prove it if you feel I'm wrong) and that he will see better gains with OEM air box (which on my car is absolutely false and I haven’t seen you provide anything to prove it on any other car either).

Just dont make sweeping statements and there wouldn’t be a debate… because everything you said absolutely does not apply to my car – so what makes you so sure it would apply to his? Hell, I don’t even believe you have viable reason to truly know it applied to your own car.

 

You've got nearly every bolt-on, including cams and gears, that's probably why It's not your Stillen CAI. Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

Really? so your putting down more power then
-adam@z1?
-Sasha@SG?
..and a few others who have posted with regards to eclipsing the 300whpNA goal? (some well into the 330's)
Do you have dyno's?

 

Dave, you know as well as I do that the car was beating VQ before the cams and headers... the only one that has beat me was WaLLy in an 1/8 mile...

As for what mods contribute... my entire point was that too many of my mods have been debated - yet they seem to be doing well.

 

Where did I say anything about "putting down power"... I don’t dyno race and I don’t forum race... when I said no other VQDE has beat me, I was referring to real racing on the track (something that too many forum hounds know nothing about).

Adams car would do well on a road course, but I'm not sure how well it would do on a drag strip... Peak HP really means nothing to me (and doesn’t to most people other than dyno queens)... My dyno would be debated by the peanut gallery since its a dynapack and done on Shawn Church's machine... but what I will tell you is last dyno day (30+ cars) only one other was putting down similar numbers... and that’s how it normally is at all dyno days I go to… fwiw best was 294hp and 261trq with mean avg trq of 245-ish… look up dynos on Church’s machine and you will see that’s substantially higher than most (if not all) other VQDE and many HR… take your head out of the forum clouds for a minute and realize I’m comparing to cars that have been at the same dyno on the same day… I don’t compare numbers to other dynos – that’s completely idiotic (as is comparing ETs from different tracks in different states).

If you guys want to run an OEM air box, go for it... my entire point is don’t make the mistake of generalizing statements... because what is being said in this thread about OEM vs. aftermarket air box isn’t true (on all cars).

 

Wow, chill man... it was just a question.. perhaps I hit a soft spot..
I know all about church's dyno.. I have been around for a little bit on the other, more technical site.

I simply asked because I was interested in seeing what your powerband looks like, nothing more, nothing less.

Just so I am clear.... I only mentioned power, because your statement
Maybe I misunderstood you.. but I assumed you were putting down some good #'s.

 

I'm not sure what there is to misunderstand - there hasn’t been an NA VQDE that has beaten my car... it’s a pretty clear cut statement. And it’s accurate...

As for numbers, I mentioned my dyno numbers in previous post... at Auto Club Speedway in Fontana, my best 1/4 mile is 14.002... of course to most people that have no idea about this track, that sounds horribly slow - in reality its mid to low 13s at a decent track... and no other VQDE (or even HR that I know of) has run that fast at that track. Definitley not on days that I’ve been there – and I’m sure if they ran that on days I wasn’t there, they would be posting all over the forum about it – because at this track breaking into 13s has been impossible for an NA VQ.

Okay - now that the thread has gone OT enough... I'm not going to continue to justify my car... there are many people that know the capabilities of my car (in real life, not forum world). Just to be clear though (before anyone blames me for the OT) - I only initially referenced my car’s performance as it relates to the constant debates about mods...

Btw, if you are really interested in my dyno graph, look up my Cams & Headers thread in the tech section… I posted dyno graph and vid.

 

umm, thanks.. You could have just posted that instead of getting all defensive..

 

Well then how is he going to tell you how much slower your car is to his?

 

why do you say things like "chill out" and "don’t get all defensive"?... what makes you think I'm wound up about any of this?... I'm just sharing info - and am as calm as can be (funny how people assume emotions from written words).

I don’t have a copy of my dyno on this computer... and you could look up the thread as easy as me.

 

Let's keep things in perspective here. Your 294whp run on Church's dyno might be good for 255-260whp on a Dynojet which is what the majority run on.

Also, your "reality" claims of mid to low 13s on a decent track is way off. I did a search and I couldn't find a thread where you mentioned the day you ran your 14.0, but I did find one where you mention running a 14.15. I calculated the DA for that day and it was a mere 1800'. Conditions for 12/6/08 at Fontana:

track elevation of 1115'
high 60s/low 70s
baro 30.1
dew point 30 degrees

Your 14.15 corrected for conditions is about a 13.95-14.0. That's a FAR cry from mid 13s, much less low 13s. Yes, some tracks are quicker than others, but usually these quick tracks have stellar fall/winter conditions that greatly influence the ET/MPH. If you were to correct their times to standard conditions, the cars would a bit slower.

 

^^^ Totally, 100% WRONG (as usual Dave)… I have 4 year old dynos that are 249 on dyno jet… I would probably put down 275 or so on most dyno jets… and would LOVE to bet you on it… I’ll be sure its video taped and there are plenty of witness’... BTW, you're right, most in this area are 250-255 on dyno jet; yet none of them get near 295 on Shawns machine (hmmmmm).

As for ¼ mile 14.002, Ask Alan (blueslate) what the date was that we raced (because I don’t remember)… but Viet (rookie), SouthbayGsedan (Darren), and several others were there that day as well… I was trying to get into 13s (which no G has done) and that’s as close as it got.

Also, talk with Derek (dsskyline) abut my car… he runs low-mid 13s at his current track… he’ll tell you my car would beat his (however, he is doing some current stuff that might change that)… also talk with Vlad (klubheads), he’ll let you know as well… there are LOTS of people that can confirm.

Anyway Dave – I’m sure in your mind all the So Cal Gs (DE’s and HRs) are slower than all the other cars around the country… that we would all get smoked at the track

You’re insisting on keeping it OT as usual…

 

^are you a lawyer by any chance or some type of politician?