How am I wrong? You don't know what your car makes on the Dynojet. Judging by your car's performance in 1800' air, I'd say I'm pretty close, give or take 5whp.

Derek has done a 13.49@101mph with a low 1.9 60' at Kinson, NC and he's running a higher stall TC and you're not. His cars launching advantage is significant. Plus he was running in negative 700' air that day. I don't think Derek has been able to duplicate his mid 13s either. Last I saw, he was doing lower 14s at 101mph in 1500-2000' DA.

It's not that. I've just never such a large group of excuse makers in my life when it comes to drag racing.

 

^^^ as usual DaveB you are completely wrong again.

What makes you think I don’t know what my car dynos on a dyno jet?... Are you saying the dyno jet graphs from the 2 times I've had my car on them are inaccurate? I’ve been on four different dynos, 2 dynapacks and 2 dyno jets (a total of about 60 pulls)… you’re the only one that talks about performance and gains that has never been on a dyno.

What makes you think my car isn’t capable of Derek’s car? Are you saying that when he drove it and admitted it was and when we raced that we were both too stupid to understand the outcome?

Dave - you are oblivious to real world issues... you blah blah blah your way through the internet and haven’t got a clue about what I do/have done in real life.

When you are ready to start putting up money (instead of yapping about how I'm not truthful) let me know... I'll post my dyno jet dynos and make sure Derek posts to you directly... You already declined my offer for me yto drive to you several years ago to race - I suspect you wont take this offer either… in the mean time, stop your yapping because you completely clueless.

 

I already offered to prove it and have video and witnesses... it will all be documented out here for everyone to see how clueless you really are... and I can make some easy money off you.

Let me know when you are ready.

 

Was that the race inbetween you and Dave? Even though Dave never said he was faster?

 

He is (and was) supposedly an experienced and seasoned drag racer… and had indicated that several of the mods I was using don’t do anything (kinda like he still does these days)… certainly if the mods I used didnt do anything he would walk all over me (since back then I hadn’t raced that much) – if mods don’t do anything, certainly an experienced drag racer would win… I wanted to prove that the mods work and would walk all over his car.

As usual he talks, talks, talks (or types)… but that’s about it.

Why do you guys insist on keeping the thread OT - even though you know nothing you will type is going to change anything?

 

In order to get this thread back on topic – how about DaveB and BuckeyeInMI explain their reasoning behind the OEM airbox being a choice above the rest?...

I have not only given my back to back impressions, but also played your little game about the validity of my cars ability.

I’d like to see something more definitive than I have shared to indicate OEM is the way to go.

 

1) No heat soak issues
2) Better throttle response
3) Better low rpm response
4) OEM design, fitment, and quaility
5) Same power
6) Cheaper

 

For someone that is a stickler for detail, you sure like to generalize and outright make false assumptions. If what you contend is true, then you'd have to take off the ones he has said make power. Let's see, reflash, headers, plenum/spacers, FD, light wheels/tires, 2pc rotors, revup airbox, high flow cats. Then leave the ones he said are questionable power wise. Stillen airbox, UDP and TB spacer.

Yes?

 

as with many other mods, it’s a sum of parts... I cant address a less modified car because I've had high flow exhaust as well as plenum mods and hfc, etc for quite some time... conversely, general statements (such as yours and Buckeye's) cant be made because much of what you have said doesn’t hold true for my car (and I'm sure I cant be the only one).

All I can tell you is with extensive plenum mods, headers, hfc, and hi flow exhaust the OEM air box did not produce the same acceleration that the Stillen/Pop Charger does. Period. Maybe on a nearly stock car or much less modified car there wouldn’t be as much of a difference… but again, generalizing as if all cars will react that way is misleading, not valid and irresponsible.

 

What he said.

OCG35, you even agreed the Stillen is more susceptible to heatsoak, but apparently on your car the laws of thermodynamics don't apply because heatsoak doesn't cause your air intake to get any warmer even though you agree it will. And if it does get warmer, somehow the drawn in air still has the same density as cooler air. Amazing. Please tell us which mod you have that defies these laws? (Ideal Gas Law comes to mind, but it's been awhile)

BTW, on your "long" trip of 100 miles each way where you claim to have gotten the same mileage, can you give us the air temperature, barometric pressure, humidity, wind speed and direction, road temperature, exact amount and measuring method for the fuel used, the type of fuel used, and traffic patterns so that we can do something a little more scientific for your gas mileage? I know there's a lot I'm leaving out, but we'll keep it simple, so 1 minute intervals on all of these variables should be sufficient.

Of course you can't, nobody could. My point is your claim of similar mileage has so much variability that it's no more than a guess.

Why do you keep contributing to the OT tangent? Was somebody forcing you to respond to every post? Pot. Kettle. Black.

 

the conversation/posts were years ago... before most of the mods you are addressing.

 

hood cowl. Heat soak isn’t as much an issue for me anymore... the added flow from the intake I use far outweighs the minor heat issue... and for someone that supports DaveB so much I'm surprised you guys care about heat soak... I've contended that it is an issue for years, yet he has always insisted it’s a moot issue since the air is traveling so fast it doesn’t matter.
my actual mileage calculations were done the same way anyone determines their mpg... you however made a general inaccurate unfounded statement that you cant even honestly say you've experienced.

Ditto.

 

So they're as inaccurate as everyone else's. Your "experience" is too full of variability, making your claim of similar mileage nothing more than a guess. As I said before, the physics just doesn't work. And what are you making the "added airflow" statement based on? Marketing from Stillen? Actual measurements? You make these semi-scientific claims all over the place, but then accuse others of making "blanket statements". You're a hypocrit.

But I wasn't the one saying we should get back on topic, you were, while you continued to veer off-topic. You're still a hypocrit.

 

Heat soak probably isn't the correct term I should have been using. The OEM airbox pulls in air from outside the engine where as the Stillen CAI has portions exposed to the engine compartment. I've done datalog tests with the OEM airbox, the OEM airbox without the PowerDuct, and the OEM airbox without the PowerDuct or over radiator snorkel. There was a huge difference in the air temp between the OEM setup and the setups with parts removed when measured at a stop and slow roll. Once at speed, the modified setups returned basically the same air temps. But once stopped, intake temps skyrocketed and it was bog city with those intake setups.

I still contend that air has very little time to warm up as it travels through the intake pipe and manifold. It's moving far too fast and not being compressed. We can only be talking about a few degrees in temp increase as the air enters the combustion chamber.

As for your idea that maybe your require a better breathing airbox, I'd beg to differ. A few years back, there was a test between a handful of road course setup 350zs and Gs. Many of these motors were fairly modified and the majority ran the OEM airbox. Also, I believe Q45Tech did a flow bench test on the OEM airbox and found out it could deliver way more air than the VQ35DE could hope to swallow.

 

I'd love to have the luxury of a flow bench... I would bet money the Stillen and JWT flow freer than an OEM...

More importantly - your post show how absolutely idiotic you are. You made the statement that Stillen would likely lower mpg due to heat soak - which is completely asinine because the intake air is coming from the grille through the air duct (snorkel) past the filter, down the induction tube past the throttle body through the plenum, and into the heads before it even combusts. The air box is not going to cause an increase or decrease in temps during normal driving to affect one miniscule of the air during combustion. Yet you yap about how my mpg calculations are inaccurate. You are a buffoon.