its not massive but its significant, of course autos are more consistent, i said that already. also those cars were bone stock, yours isn't and 101.23 is an awfully high trap compared to other autos, perhaps your track was correcting itself...lol

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and if u went from a roll it wouldn't be that close

just look here

http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php...=10&carmake=21

there is a range, you can't compare the autos at the top of the range to the manuals with bad drivers. seems like 6 speed traps range from 97 to 101 and autos range from 93 to 97(not all tracks measure the trap speed in exactly the same spot so you need to weed out the extremes)

my friend ran his mazdaspeed 3 at englishtown and got 13.9s@99-100 then he went down to cecil country dragway the next week and pulled 13.6@103.5

based on all these times it looks like the md plenum spacer is a pretty effective mod, the autos that are near 14.0@99 seem to all have that and exhaust

 

My exhaust added about 5whp above 5000. The Borla sort of sucks, but I'm sure the spacer helped a little. I have raced 6mt's from a roll, and beat them, but I do also have a rare base model (cloth, no nav, no power seats, 16's, etc.), so mine is a little quicker than most. Obviously there are 6mts that are faster, but there are also plenty that are not. I started with 260hp, so I'll take what I can get... 102,000 miles on the clock isn't doing anyone any favors either.

The track where I ran is horrible. The surface was poor and the track was bumpy. If I go to my regular track one of these weekends I want to say that I can guarantee you a 14.0x run with no correction. We'll have to see about the trap speed.

 

a horrible track doesnt mean it doesnt give out generous times

every forum has a guy like you who ran a time faster then most other cars and goes around babbling about it.

there was a civic Si on clubrsx that ran 14.2@96 with just greddy evo and rsx's that ran 14.0@100 with just intake and exhaust...great for them but those times don't really mean much, just a fast track or a fluke run, i also saw a civic si run 15.7 because he sucked at driving

what wheels are you running?

 

I will say this. My (6MT) and Shrummi (Auto) have more than 30 runs together at the track.

For the guys that asked for mods in the video:

06 Auto
Intake
HKS Exhaust
HR Y-Pipe
5/16 Spacer
Michelin Pilot PS2

05 6MT
Z-tube
X02 Exhaust
Goodyear Eagle RS-A

 

well in fairness that is a rev up vs an auto

how does rev up vs non rev up go?

 

Depends on driver. Non Rev-Up is rated with more torque but less HP.

 

What? All auto's are non rev ups.

 

I've gone against two auto's, each numerous times. One a G35x i/e/h/spacer/grounding kit/utec tuned by Function Tuned (arguably one the best VQ tuners in the east coast), against my 6MT with i/spacer/mrev2. Me and this specific G35x were literally neck and neck from both a dig or any type of roll. I would ever so slightly pull at higher speeds say 90+.

The second car I went against was a 04 5AT with i/e/tp and 20" volks + passenger from the beginning of 3rd gear and i literally put 4-5 cars by the time I got into 4th (i had i/e/spacer/mrev/tp).

The auto's are much more consistent (from a dig) but a well driven 6MT will always outrun a similarly modded auto (from my experience) from a dig and especially from a roll where gearing plays a bigger roll.

Note: These are all my experiences and yours may be different I hope this doesn't turn into a pissing match after all, we all drive the same cars lol

 

i know, i just didn't realize the 6mt was an 05+

 

makes sense

 

I've never had an auto vq really give me much a race, but there are a handful in the u.s that can run within .2 of me from a dig in the 1/4. However, I trap 2-5mph higher than them, so from a roll it would be likely I would pull steadily......I know a few auto guys who would embarrass most 6mt guys though in the 1/4 (NA G/Z).

 

I don’t know when people are going to realize that comparing ETs from entirely different tracks is no different than comparing dyno numbers from totally different shops. A guy running 13.8 on a low altitude track in decent weather isn’t even going to break 14 on the track I run.

Those numbers you posted mean absolutely nothing. Now if you posted ETs from a track day (as in all the runs were at the same track on the same day) then it would be relevant.

 

^he's a magazine racer, he is living vicariously through what other people have done. he won't understand the facts of the whole thing

 

um this thread started off with the two cars racing each other at the same track and that wasnt good enough for anybody, what else can I possibly use to argue the point? you are right comparing numbers from different tracks doesn't mean anything, however if you throw out the extremes and average them out you will start to see a trend, simple statistics. and im not a mag racer, this is just isn't much data to compare and honestly motor trend probably tested those two cars in the same spot and that is more accurate then comparing some random guy's times. If you look at the general trend the autos seem to be .2-.4 seconds and 2-3 mph slower just like every other manual vs auto comparison in the automotive world (aside from certain super torquey domestics that are faster in automatic and the genesis coupe for some reason)

 

My 03 5AT sedan ran a 14.32@98mph with a z-tube and in near sea level like conditions. With the MD 5/16 spacer, it did 14.35@99.87mph in 1,500' air. That 14.35@99.87mph would equate to high 14.1@101mph in sea level air. At KCIR (my track), I'm typically .3 and 2mph off that the 6MT 03-06 350Zs are running. They always out 60' foot me and walk me slightly above 60mph.

I think you're grossly overestimating how much quicker the 6MT is. It only makes about 10whp/10wtq more than the 5AT and the slightly deeper gearing isn't really an advantage in the 1/4mph. From 100mph+, the 6MT will walk away. I won't deny that. However, in a 1/4 mile race against a 6MT sedan or coupe with the same mods as myself, I'd bet I'd win over half the time.