View Poll Results: What kind of synthetic oil do you use?
Mobil-1 5W-30
133
64.25%
Amsoil 5W-30
45
21.74%
Other (please specify)
29
14.01%
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Mobil-1 or Amsoil?
Group III vs PAO
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/...20-%20Part%203
And
http://theoildrop.server101.com/foru...=21&vc=1&nt=20
You will have to search on those pages, but 1 lab tests on page 5 shows it, but later there are more.
There have been tests by laps now verifying that Mobil 1 has changed the formula which it went back to Group III. Mobil 1 is no longer a PAO meaning no longer a full synthetic.
All our cars will now switch to Amsoil.
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/...20-%20Part%203
And
http://theoildrop.server101.com/foru...=21&vc=1&nt=20
You will have to search on those pages, but 1 lab tests on page 5 shows it, but later there are more.
There have been tests by laps now verifying that Mobil 1 has changed the formula which it went back to Group III. Mobil 1 is no longer a PAO meaning no longer a full synthetic.
All our cars will now switch to Amsoil.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/foru...rue#Post750513
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Okay boys and girls, take a seat cause you aren't going to like this.
The new M1 EP 5W-30 SM dated Oct 2006 just came out of the G.C. and it is MOSTLY mineral oil, presumably Group III. It also contains a good slug of AN and some PAO, but little or no ester. Will have more data tomorrow.
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Okay boys and girls, take a seat cause you aren't going to like this.
The new M1 EP 5W-30 SM dated Oct 2006 just came out of the G.C. and it is MOSTLY mineral oil, presumably Group III. It also contains a good slug of AN and some PAO, but little or no ester. Will have more data tomorrow.
Originally Posted by G35_TX
http://theoildrop.server101.com/foru...rue#Post750513
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Okay boys and girls, take a seat cause you aren't going to like this.
The new M1 EP 5W-30 SM dated Oct 2006 just came out of the G.C. and it is MOSTLY mineral oil, presumably Group III. It also contains a good slug of AN and some PAO, but little or no ester. Will have more data tomorrow.
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Okay boys and girls, take a seat cause you aren't going to like this.
The new M1 EP 5W-30 SM dated Oct 2006 just came out of the G.C. and it is MOSTLY mineral oil, presumably Group III. It also contains a good slug of AN and some PAO, but little or no ester. Will have more data tomorrow.
PAO's had their day, but lubrication technology is now producing bases that match or exceed their capabilities for far less cost. The problem is not performance of the new bases, its the fact that the lower raw materials costs are not being passed on to consumers.
The technology is not new either. Germany was creating synth lube and fuel from coal back in the 40's due to limited crude availability, so they can't claim "development costs". But should we really expect corporate boardrooms to do the right thing?
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"PAO's had their day, but lubrication technology is now producing bases that match or exceed their capabilities for far less cost. The problem is not performance of the new bases, its the fact that the lower raw materials costs are not being passed on to consumers."
Well put. Some still assign a mystique to synthetic compounds, but meeting specs is what it has always has been about.
BTW, not passing on savings to customers only reminds us we are talking about oil companies.
Well put. Some still assign a mystique to synthetic compounds, but meeting specs is what it has always has been about.
BTW, not passing on savings to customers only reminds us we are talking about oil companies.
Last edited by fortified; Nov 13, 2006 at 01:19 PM.
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AMS Oil Is better; However the price is way to much to justify the benifits. I use to use use Moble-1 & a AMS oil Filter on my prior car. Will be changing over sythetic at my next oil change and will use the same.
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[QUOTE=[I]fortified]"PAO's had their day, but lubrication technology is now producing bases that match or exceed their capabilities for far less cost. The problem is not performance of the new bases, its the fact that the lower raw materials costs are not being passed on to consumers."
Well put. Some still assign a mystique to synthetic compounds, but meeting specs is what it has always has been about.
BTW, not passing on savings to customers only reminds us we are talking about oil companies.[/[/I]QUOTE]
PAO/Ester blend synthetic oils are the high-tech oil of choice that no refined petroleum oil, (now legally allowed to be called, "synthetic", in the USA, but not in Europe!), can come close to matching. With industry leading AMSOIL synthetic motor oils, film strengths can exceed 3,000 psi, whereas the film strength of a petroleum oil, (no matter how much it is refined and deceptively referred to as a, "synthetic oil"), hovers around 500 psi.
Also, the turbulent flow patterns of a true PAO/Ester based synthetic oil are far superior to the laminar flow patters of the petroleum oils now referred to as a, "synthetic oil", and can contribute greatly in engine temperature reductions, extending engine life, adding power and fuel economy to boot. Gosh I feel sorry for the average consumer that doesn't have a clue that the, "synthetic oil", they are purchasing really isn't a synthetic oil in the traditionally accepted definition, but merely a higher refined petroleum oil.
Most of the, "synthetic", oils available down at the discount auto parts stores aren't really synthetic oils in the traditionally accepted definition, but merely refined petroleum oils. Buyer beware.
Steve
Hi-Tech Oil Co.
Distributing industry leading AMSOIL synthetic motor oils for 20 years
Well put. Some still assign a mystique to synthetic compounds, but meeting specs is what it has always has been about.
BTW, not passing on savings to customers only reminds us we are talking about oil companies.[/[/I]QUOTE]
PAO/Ester blend synthetic oils are the high-tech oil of choice that no refined petroleum oil, (now legally allowed to be called, "synthetic", in the USA, but not in Europe!), can come close to matching. With industry leading AMSOIL synthetic motor oils, film strengths can exceed 3,000 psi, whereas the film strength of a petroleum oil, (no matter how much it is refined and deceptively referred to as a, "synthetic oil"), hovers around 500 psi.
Also, the turbulent flow patterns of a true PAO/Ester based synthetic oil are far superior to the laminar flow patters of the petroleum oils now referred to as a, "synthetic oil", and can contribute greatly in engine temperature reductions, extending engine life, adding power and fuel economy to boot. Gosh I feel sorry for the average consumer that doesn't have a clue that the, "synthetic oil", they are purchasing really isn't a synthetic oil in the traditionally accepted definition, but merely a higher refined petroleum oil. Most of the, "synthetic", oils available down at the discount auto parts stores aren't really synthetic oils in the traditionally accepted definition, but merely refined petroleum oils. Buyer beware.
Steve
Hi-Tech Oil Co.
Distributing industry leading AMSOIL synthetic motor oils for 20 years
Last edited by HiTechOilCo; Oct 4, 2007 at 10:04 PM.
I KNOW you didn't write all that.
And I wonder which oil you are referring to as "synthetic" now?
And I wonder which oil you are referring to as "synthetic" now?
Originally Posted by HiTechOilCo
PAO/Ester blend synthetic oils are the high-tech oil of choice that no refined petroleum oil, (now legally allowed to be called, "synthetic", in the USA, but not in Europe!), can come close to matching. With industry leading AMSOIL synthetic motor oils, film strengths can exceed 3,000 psi, whereas the film strength of a petroleum oil, (no matter how much it is refined and deceptively referred to as a, "synthetic oil"), hovers around 500 psi. Also, the turbulent flow patterns of a true PAO/Ester based synthetic oil are far superior to the laminar flow patters of the petroleum oils now referred to as a, "synthetic oil", and can contribute greatly in engine temperature reductions, extending engine life, adding power and fuel economy to boot. Gosh I feel sorry for the average consumer that doesn't have a clue that the, "synthetic oil", they are purchasing really isn't a synthetic oil in the traditionally accepted definition, but merely a higher refined petroleum oil.
Most of the, "synthetic", oils available down at the discount auto parts stores aren't really synthetic oils in the traditionally accepted definition, but merely refined petroleum oils. Buyer beware.
Steve
Hi-Tech Oil Co.
Distributing industry leading AMSOIL synthetic motor oils for 20 years
Also, the turbulent flow patterns of a true PAO/Ester based synthetic oil are far superior to the laminar flow patters of the petroleum oils now referred to as a, "synthetic oil", and can contribute greatly in engine temperature reductions, extending engine life, adding power and fuel economy to boot. Gosh I feel sorry for the average consumer that doesn't have a clue that the, "synthetic oil", they are purchasing really isn't a synthetic oil in the traditionally accepted definition, but merely a higher refined petroleum oil. Most of the, "synthetic", oils available down at the discount auto parts stores aren't really synthetic oils in the traditionally accepted definition, but merely refined petroleum oils. Buyer beware.
Steve
Hi-Tech Oil Co.
Distributing industry leading AMSOIL synthetic motor oils for 20 years
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
I KNOW you didn't write all that.
And I wonder which oil you are referring to as "synthetic" now?
And I wonder which oil you are referring to as "synthetic" now?
Flip-flopper FTW!
BTW, what base oil does AMSOIL XL-7500 use Steve?
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Originally Posted by SwivelMan
Another Amsoil user here. Available at Partsource here in Canada. I wait til it goes on sale and buy it by the case.
Just get it wholesale, delivered right to your front door. Saves money and hassle.
Steve
Hi-Tech Oil Co.
Distributing industry leading AMSOIL synthetic motor oils for 20 years.
Originally Posted by HiTechOilCo
The AMSOIL XL-7500 oil was specifically formulated and priced for quick lube facilities. As a result, it is AMSOIL's lowest performing oil and is a Group IV, more highly refined, "synthetic oil", refined from petroleum oil, the same as with the vast majority of other, "synthetic", oils on the market today. It's a good choice for a quick lube customer, but for the motorist desiring the best for their expensive vehicle, any of the other AMSOIL synthetic motor oils will perform better. I personally have never used the XL-7500 series oil as the better line of AMSOIL synthetic motor oils is only a little more in price and well worth it, as well as less costly to use than the XL-7500 oil.
Steve
Hi-Tech Oil Co.
Distributing industry leading AMSOIL synthetic motor oils for 20 years
Steve
Hi-Tech Oil Co.
Distributing industry leading AMSOIL synthetic motor oils for 20 years
Originally Posted by Amsoil
Q. What types of synthetic base oil fluids does AMSOIL use?
A. As the developer of the world's first API qualified synthetic motor oil in 1972, AMSOIL has gained more experience than any other oil company in formulating automotive synthetic lubricants. AMSOIL draws on this experience to formulate its products using a full range of synthetic base oil and additive technologies. AMSOIL will not be locked into any single base oil strategy. Performance is the bottom line. There are new types of base stocks being introduced, and there are additives that work best in one base stock or another. As technology changes, equipment changes and the demands on lubricants evolve, AMSOIL will incorporate new base oil and additive chemistries if and when those new chemistries will enhance the performance of AMSOIL products.
Currently, each AMSOIL lubricant is formulated with the synthetic base oil or combination of base oils best suited to that lubricant’s application demands. They are optimized using the most advanced premium synthetic base oils. Although AMSOIL has publicly stated that its XL motor oils are Group III based and its other motor oils are PAO based, specific formulary information beyond that is exclusive and proprietary. AMSOIL views synthetic base oils the same as it views additives. Each has its unique set of properties, and AMSOIL, based on its extensive experience, combines them differently for superior performance in any given application or operating condition (gasoline, diesel, racing, transmission, gear, extended drain, extreme temperature, etc.).
AMSOIL INC. maintains an unwavering commitment to provide products that outperform the competition and deliver maximum benefits to all AMSOIL customers.
A. As the developer of the world's first API qualified synthetic motor oil in 1972, AMSOIL has gained more experience than any other oil company in formulating automotive synthetic lubricants. AMSOIL draws on this experience to formulate its products using a full range of synthetic base oil and additive technologies. AMSOIL will not be locked into any single base oil strategy. Performance is the bottom line. There are new types of base stocks being introduced, and there are additives that work best in one base stock or another. As technology changes, equipment changes and the demands on lubricants evolve, AMSOIL will incorporate new base oil and additive chemistries if and when those new chemistries will enhance the performance of AMSOIL products.
Currently, each AMSOIL lubricant is formulated with the synthetic base oil or combination of base oils best suited to that lubricant’s application demands. They are optimized using the most advanced premium synthetic base oils. Although AMSOIL has publicly stated that its XL motor oils are Group III based and its other motor oils are PAO based, specific formulary information beyond that is exclusive and proprietary. AMSOIL views synthetic base oils the same as it views additives. Each has its unique set of properties, and AMSOIL, based on its extensive experience, combines them differently for superior performance in any given application or operating condition (gasoline, diesel, racing, transmission, gear, extended drain, extreme temperature, etc.).
AMSOIL INC. maintains an unwavering commitment to provide products that outperform the competition and deliver maximum benefits to all AMSOIL customers.
