Forced Induction Discussion of turbos , superchargers , and nitrous upgrades on the G35

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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 02:38 PM
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Injectors have arrived.

Turbo kit is here. Modified studs for mounting are included. Gauges are already here with the kit and come with everything they need (I hope). Transgo is already installed, tranny cooler included. Got the COBB (obviously)... Still not sure about the tunning side of things- probably have to talk to the shop about that.

I don't know guys... Anything I'm missing?

Oops? Well how about the fuel pump?! Duh. This as good a place to get one as any?

http://www.walbrofuelpumps.com/

They talk about OEM pressure and high pressure. I'm assuming I'd go with a high pressure variety? I don't see any available in the marketplace but if anyone has a used one kicking around (cough cough- Dustin / Gord - cough) then let me know and I'll help you clear out some shelf space.

Oh yes. And that rising rate regulator? Red dropped off the grid again but I suspect it's because he's working so I'll forgive him.

Okay- so here I was thinking it was time to put my money where my mouth was and head over to get this thing started. Turns out the guy coordinating the job through the shop is away until Monday anyway... and I leave monday morning. So- time to get those other parts ordered and shipped.

Let me know about the pump / RRR...
 
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 04:13 PM
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You have PM Eno.
 
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 08:47 PM
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Good timing. So I guess that's me with a full fuel system from Dustin

It's not OFFICIAL official yet... but that's what's happening! There's a brinks truck at the Timmy's every day at 8am. You needn't know the rest...

I've also sent RCDASH in 350Z a pm regarding the tranny. I'll see where he's at and go from there.

On a side note- got the car in for the alignment at the shop with the messed up ramp- and yes... too steep for me. They'll make it work- but not doing it until next Thursday. Camber has been bad- and the guy had a chance to check out my tire (and point it out to me). It's worse than I thought and needs to be fixed. Fortunately I threw caution (and possibly 60 bucks) to the wind and got the shims (having checked out the setting Red recommended and seeing it was pushed all the way out.) They'll install the shims and do the alignment. I figured it might be a bit longer than I thought to get the Turbo installed and might as well get some little stuff done in between. (Spoiler, repaint on debagged trunk, shims, alignment.)

Edit: Another good bit of feedback from our brother RCDash in 350Z:

The key to a long lasting 5AT is changing the ATF frequently (I change every 6-10k miles) and keeping the ATF temp below 250 deg F no matter what. For every 10 degF over 220, supposedly ATF life gets cut in half and needs to be changed sooner. So keep it in the 175 - 225 range if you can. (Buy a BIG transmission specific low pressure drop cooler).
 

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Old Dec 3, 2010 | 07:03 PM
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Food for thought:

Call me crazy but a part of me is wondering if I should be hunting down someone who does this kind of work as a hobby. I'd pay him- don't get me wrong- but I think I'd learn a lot more being more involved in the install. The shop I'm talking to will let me do spot checks- but quite frankly that's not really what I wanted. I am starting to drift towards floating the build out on some sites to see if a local enthusiast wants to take it on. There's no small part of me that wants to bring the car back to Alberta to do the job. I just haven't got a good feeling from this shop- but in their defense the guy who runs it is on vacation. Maybe it's just another passing thing- but honestly I want to get my hands dirty. I want to be more involved. I want to get my hands dirty.

Thoughts? Should I leave it to the pros or hunt down a gearhead?
 
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Old Dec 3, 2010 | 08:12 PM
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Food for thought:

Call me crazy but a part of me is wondering if I should be hunting down someone who does this kind of work as a hobby. I'd pay him- don't get me wrong- but I think I'd learn a lot more being more involved in the install. The shop I'm talking to will let me do spot checks- but quite frankly that's not really what I wanted. I am starting to drift towards floating the build out on some sites to see if a local enthusiast wants to take it on. There's no small part of me that wants to bring the car back to Alberta to do the job. I just haven't got a good feeling from this shop- but in their defense the guy who runs it is on vacation. Maybe it's just another passing thing- but honestly I want to get my hands dirty. I want to be more involved. I want to get my hands dirty.

Thoughts? Should I leave it to the pros or hunt down a gearhead?
I have yet to walk in to a shop in Edmonton whom I would trust with my car. I am sure that most places are like that, and that is the main reason I don't let anybody work on my. I am **** retentive when it comes to everything. I take a bolt out, I number it. It goes in the same place it came out of.

I would recomend finding somebody (or a shop) where you can "help out". It puts a bit of pressure on them to do it righ, and your get to know your system.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2010 | 10:13 PM
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I was going to suggest if you brought it back to Alberta, one of Lightspeeds guys Anthony does work on the side. He helped a friend of mine swap an SR 20 into a Skyline and he does good work and would likely let you help. Word is getting around and he has been getting pretty busy. But it would be an option
 
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Old Dec 3, 2010 | 11:30 PM
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The only reason I picked this shop, or at least stuck with it, is the guy described his "tech" to be exactly the way Sasha is... I'm going to hold on until I get a better chance to feel things out over here but if I still feel swirly about it I think I'll pull the pin and go on the hunt or just hold off until I get the car back to alberta.
 
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Old Dec 4, 2010 | 09:41 AM
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There's a guy down here whom I can talk to about it if you'd like. I'd trust him over all others, and he's built a few legit cars for himself and has helped me with mine for the past few years. He might also be able to do a basic tune for you as well. Let me know if you want me to talk to him.
 
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Old Dec 4, 2010 | 01:39 PM
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Thanks! Hopefully it'll all work out over here- but I'll keep you posted on that. I think I just need more connections out here that's all...
 
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Old Dec 5, 2010 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ITNKICN
Food for thought:

Call me crazy but a part of me is wondering if I should be hunting down someone who does this kind of work as a hobby. I'd pay him- don't get me wrong- but I think I'd learn a lot more being more involved in the install. The shop I'm talking to will let me do spot checks- but quite frankly that's not really what I wanted. I am starting to drift towards floating the build out on some sites to see if a local enthusiast wants to take it on. There's no small part of me that wants to bring the car back to Alberta to do the job. I just haven't got a good feeling from this shop- but in their defense the guy who runs it is on vacation. Maybe it's just another passing thing- but honestly I want to get my hands dirty. I want to be more involved. I want to get my hands dirty.

Thoughts? Should I leave it to the pros or hunt down a gearhead?
thats exactly what i did with mine. a good friend of mine and my self did the whole install. he basically just made sure i didnt mess anything up with the install of everything and did the stuff i didnt want to.

i think its a great way to go cause you know everything thats happening with it and can trouble shoot much easier.
 
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Old Dec 5, 2010 | 02:09 PM
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That and you don't have to pay someone else to troubleshoot their own install for you.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2010 | 12:16 AM
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A weekly update:

I've finalized the transaction with Dustin to acquire the fuel parts we were talking about earlier in the thread. They should be shipping soon- but the important part is that they're paid for.

With Gord's 680cc injectors and Dustin's fuel rails / return / regulator and fuel pump I'm positive I've allowed for growth. This matches with the potential of the 700bb kit so my tranny continues to be a weak link. With the aftermarket cooler and the transgo valvebody upgrade it's not stock by a long shot- and I've been advised by Raj over on my350z to keep that fluid cool and things should be fine up to about 500hp. I'd have been happy at 400-450 but it looks like the setup I'm investing in will snooze through that with the right tune. Still... that little voice in my head insists that I'll pull the trigger on someone in a Challenger in a moment of testosterone infused stupidity and blow apart half my car. I've been over to my350z and looked over there and found transgo equipped used trannies for 800 bucks... I've decided I can probably manage that risk

Currently, I've drifted back to a tentative 3 stage install:

1) JWT 700 TT kit / gauge cluster and wideband fuel add-in.
2) Fuel system upgrades as mentioned with full tune on the COBB.
3) Transmission upgrade- clutchpacks. (Spring mod thread?)
4) (see signature) Exotic trunk mounted ( ) water meth injection reservoire and associated parts / Halltech.

That's it for now- once we get everything together I'll post more pics- hopefully by next Thursday-Friday. Will work begin before Christmas? Somehow- I think not.


(EDIT: Talked to a new shop on MXWizard's erudite guidance and I think I have things back on track. They seem a lot more interested in the project than the previous shop.)
 

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Old Dec 15, 2010 | 01:48 AM
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I know the stock engine is robust, and I also know that it is the location of another potential weak spot: We talked about it once before- the bottom end.

I've been thinking tranny all this time but this article reminded me of this other potential doozie.

http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/350...o-install.html

I know I can't swap out a bottom end as easily as some people can change a tire... Any perspective on what I should be doing to manage this risk- short of getting a built short block? I know that affordable Eagle Rods are an efficient and realistic upgrade, and are a replacement for the #1 weak spot mentioned by a number of different sources. But if you're going to do that then does it just make sense to get the rest of the bottom end swapped out as well? With my HP expectations... is it necessary or am I being an alarmist?
 
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Old Dec 15, 2010 | 02:17 AM
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If you change out the rods it is best to do the entire bottom end. With the proper tune you should not have issues at 10psi, but things can happen. If you have a large sum of money burning a hole in your pocket I do believe adding a built bottom end and turbo kit at the same time would be the way to go it will cut down your install costs considerably. If it were me and I was to start from scratch with a large budget this is what i would do the first time all at once.

-Buy a long block from, Forged performance, GTM, IPP or Injected.
-Add small cams to the set up JWT S1 with JWT valve springs, any of those company's can have it timed and ready to drop in.
-do a complete fuel system with return and large injectors.
-add your turbo kit with all of the hot pipes and hot side of the turbo ceramic coated.
-possibly a larger radiator
-I forgot get a ATI crank dampner or Fluidampner they may be a few hundred bucks but after spending all of the money on the bottom end I would hate to see vibrations kill something.

the car would be done and no more tearing it apart to add more parts, did I mention large budget
 

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Old Dec 15, 2010 | 08:14 AM
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I HAD deep pockets until this started. Funny, between you and Dustin I don't know which one of you has cost me more money

Actually, I think I'm going to blame Driver! Oh yeah, and swivel because he's the local ambassador! Darn you swivel!

Okay, so I've done some research on what it takes to build up a bottom end. One of the threads I came to was discussing how much abuse the stock block can take. It has some back and forth in it- but overall the message was reassuring:


Sorry I haven't messed around enough with the link feature. Maybe this will work? https://g35driver.com/forums/forced-...35-engine.html

The short story is they're talking about working a stock motor up through 6psi to 18psi before it finally blew at about 550whp. MOST seem to agree that with a twin turbo 8-10psi is the "average" safe range. Considering the most I'm going to track my car is on the highway between Sidney and Victoria- driving with the erotic confidence that I have enough horses under the hood to replace all the ones killed by the Calgary stampede over the last 15 years. I don't need to turn challengers inside out- but I could

Uh oh- I'm not even FI yet and I'm already full of hot air.
 
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