Hyundai has a "G35-killer" coming?!
Its ugly as ****.. i wouldnt worry about it lol
I dont think this link will work since u guys dont got a username but thers pics here http://www.brevardmotorsports.org/fo...pic.php?t=4714
I dont think this link will work since u guys dont got a username but thers pics here http://www.brevardmotorsports.org/fo...pic.php?t=4714
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Originally Posted by brain21
You are not really making a good comparison here.
Mercedes are very unreliable cars. Chrysler certainly didn't change that (and no one really expected them to). VWs have been in the bottom 4 of JD Powers reliability ratings for *years*. Audis are also not know for reliability.
BMWs, however are different. First off, in the 80's BMW were like jags. Very nice and well performing pieces of crap. Completely unreliable. Not as bad as the Prosches, but *really* crappy reliability till the early 90's. Then things changed. Look at the ratings for the 3-series for the past 10 years. They are above average to excellent. 5-series are kinda hit and miss, much like the Z3s & Z4s - good some years, not good on others. 7-series forget it. Unreliable and very expensive to fix. But 3 series and the 5 series on some years... very reliable cars.
Let me put it to you this way... My 96 3 series that I am getting rid of for a G35 has 188K miles on it. Until around 185k miles, here is the sum total of repairs that I have had to do on the car over the last decade:
The normal brake pads, etc. replacements.
New Alternator
2 bad window bushings.
1 bad hose.
replaced the battery twice. Once was when my alternator died.
That's it. Over 10 years and getting close to 200k miles. I still have the *ORIGINAL* clutch on the car, with no slippage (I also happen to be a good stick driver and don't rag the car), original timing chain. In fact, other than what's mentioned above, EVERYTHING in the car is original. The car was in excellect shape up until this past year. I have a new broken window motor. The A/C has a leak right behind the dash. The mechanics *think* I might need a new clutch in the next year or so. I know quite a few people at work that will say similar things about their BMWs.
I'm not trying to be a fanboy here, I'm just relating my own personal real-life experience here.
Oh, and the Ms are farily reliable too (well, the M3s), despite the propaganda you read here. Are they expensive to fix? Well, if something goes with the engine or transmission or suspension, yes. That's the same for many cars. G35s ain't cheap either guys. I have read reports here that M3 oil changes are over $125+ and you have to use some special secret proprietary BMW oil. That's a load of bull. I know a few M3 owners. Everyone of them uses Mobil1 for their oil. Not some super secret proprietary crap.
Sorry BroDaJin, this isn't directed at you, I saw other posts (time and time again) on this forum where people are speaking based on conjecture and assumptions. If you are a mechanic or whatever, I'm sure you know full well that the proprietary oil for BMW M3s is a crock.
Brain21
Mercedes are very unreliable cars. Chrysler certainly didn't change that (and no one really expected them to). VWs have been in the bottom 4 of JD Powers reliability ratings for *years*. Audis are also not know for reliability.
BMWs, however are different. First off, in the 80's BMW were like jags. Very nice and well performing pieces of crap. Completely unreliable. Not as bad as the Prosches, but *really* crappy reliability till the early 90's. Then things changed. Look at the ratings for the 3-series for the past 10 years. They are above average to excellent. 5-series are kinda hit and miss, much like the Z3s & Z4s - good some years, not good on others. 7-series forget it. Unreliable and very expensive to fix. But 3 series and the 5 series on some years... very reliable cars.
Let me put it to you this way... My 96 3 series that I am getting rid of for a G35 has 188K miles on it. Until around 185k miles, here is the sum total of repairs that I have had to do on the car over the last decade:
The normal brake pads, etc. replacements.
New Alternator
2 bad window bushings.
1 bad hose.
replaced the battery twice. Once was when my alternator died.
That's it. Over 10 years and getting close to 200k miles. I still have the *ORIGINAL* clutch on the car, with no slippage (I also happen to be a good stick driver and don't rag the car), original timing chain. In fact, other than what's mentioned above, EVERYTHING in the car is original. The car was in excellect shape up until this past year. I have a new broken window motor. The A/C has a leak right behind the dash. The mechanics *think* I might need a new clutch in the next year or so. I know quite a few people at work that will say similar things about their BMWs.
I'm not trying to be a fanboy here, I'm just relating my own personal real-life experience here.
Oh, and the Ms are farily reliable too (well, the M3s), despite the propaganda you read here. Are they expensive to fix? Well, if something goes with the engine or transmission or suspension, yes. That's the same for many cars. G35s ain't cheap either guys. I have read reports here that M3 oil changes are over $125+ and you have to use some special secret proprietary BMW oil. That's a load of bull. I know a few M3 owners. Everyone of them uses Mobil1 for their oil. Not some super secret proprietary crap.
Sorry BroDaJin, this isn't directed at you, I saw other posts (time and time again) on this forum where people are speaking based on conjecture and assumptions. If you are a mechanic or whatever, I'm sure you know full well that the proprietary oil for BMW M3s is a crock.
Brain21
My friend had to get rid of his Z4 due to hydrolock. He went over 1-2 feet of water and car just stalled. He tried to start the car but fried his starter because he cranked too much. When I went to go pick him up I almost ended up in the waters too but my spider sences prevented me from doing that. 
He towed the car to the dealer he bought it from, got money from his insurance because they totaled it due to his wiring harnest being fried and internal damages to his engine. And yes, there are no special oil for the M3. Reason why it's so expensive is that, M3 or all other Bmw or Mercedes take 7-8+ quarts of oil and uses cartridge type oil filter which are about 3-4 time more expensive then most spin on oil filters. Listed price on Mobile1 would be around $7-8 a pop plus filter labor and waste charges $125 is reasonable
Recomendations. Try to use BG products. Even though it's expensive, it works. If you are taking your car to a Independent shop, always ask if you can bring your own fluids to be polite, and tipping is not a bad idea cause the tech would know who you are and WILL TAKE EXTRA CARE FOR YOUR CAR.
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Originally Posted by silverv35
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There are talks of Hyundai forming a luxury brand. Have any you heard that even Toyota is having warranty issues? No car company is perfect. Give credit to those who are taking a chance and moving forward.
There are talks of Hyundai forming a luxury brand. Have any you heard that even Toyota is having warranty issues? No car company is perfect. Give credit to those who are taking a chance and moving forward.
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Originally Posted by raff
.my dads 1989 volvo 740GL (that he got rid of 2 years ago) ran for 250,000 miles and all he did was the regular maintenance, replaced the battery twice and the alternator once. does that means that volvo's are the best? no.
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Originally Posted by zoomzoomers
Stop being so closed minded and ignorant about these things. What many of you are saying is exactly what they used to say about Honda's, Toyota's and Datsun's of the past. Give credit where it's due. Hyundai's has been making strides in the automotive field that many, especially US makes, would kill for. I'd like to see what they can do for the segment. Especially since that "G35 killer" will probably be 60 to 75% of the list price that the G will be.
From what I remember, everyone loves the G, because of what? Oh yea, it's such a bang for the buck compared to a what? Oh yeah, Bimmers. Come on just because Hyundai's are cheaper in most respect to the G doesn't mean that the company isn't advancing. Come to think of it, this thread sounds a lot like the Bimmer forums do. Go figure.
From what I remember, everyone loves the G, because of what? Oh yea, it's such a bang for the buck compared to a what? Oh yeah, Bimmers. Come on just because Hyundai's are cheaper in most respect to the G doesn't mean that the company isn't advancing. Come to think of it, this thread sounds a lot like the Bimmer forums do. Go figure.
he really does have a point, but i think that for those who are gonig to be driving an 08 coupe the threat of this new G35 killer will seem smaller in real life, from what i can see, eve nif it is faster i think or gs will just hold their own jut ecuase of styling and we have a history of having some dead sexy cars, if it is turbo though get ready for another car war.
Will the Hyundai slamming never end? Oddly enough, just because a company didn't produce the greatest cars for awhile doesn't mean that they will never, ever produce a high quality car in the future. I can't even begin to say how ignorant an opinion that is...
Oddly enough, just because a company didn't produce the greatest cars for awhile doesn't mean that they will never, ever produce a high quality car in the future. I can't even begin to say how ignorant an opinion that is...
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Originally Posted by vt_maverick
Will the Hyundai slamming never end? Oddly enough, just because a company didn't produce the greatest cars for awhile doesn't mean that they will never, ever produce a high quality car in the future. I can't even begin to say how ignorant an opinion that is...
Oddly enough, just because a company didn't produce the greatest cars for awhile doesn't mean that they will never, ever produce a high quality car in the future. I can't even begin to say how ignorant an opinion that is...
So... ...if Honda has a Civic that performs better than a Caddilac DeVille, does that mean Honda has a Deville-killer?
IMO, it's fine to have a car as your bench-mark (which you'll obviously undercut in price), but it's not much of a competitor when it's $10K+ cheaper. Regardless of how well-eqiuped it is, I have a hard time believing that Hyundai can sell cars that cost close to $30K. I think $25K is likely about the max. It's not just a matter of ammenities... ...you're marque has to be one that people will not hesitate to spend $30K on.
I don't think that there are going to be many G35 customers that are going to decide to go with the Hyundai even if it's $10K less. What I think you will find are a fair number of people who would like the G35 but can't swing the price. The G35 is out of their range, just as the Hyundai will not be a direct competitor to the G. It will be a cheaper alternative that is really competing in lower price-class.
IMO, it's fine to have a car as your bench-mark (which you'll obviously undercut in price), but it's not much of a competitor when it's $10K+ cheaper. Regardless of how well-eqiuped it is, I have a hard time believing that Hyundai can sell cars that cost close to $30K. I think $25K is likely about the max. It's not just a matter of ammenities... ...you're marque has to be one that people will not hesitate to spend $30K on.
I don't think that there are going to be many G35 customers that are going to decide to go with the Hyundai even if it's $10K less. What I think you will find are a fair number of people who would like the G35 but can't swing the price. The G35 is out of their range, just as the Hyundai will not be a direct competitor to the G. It will be a cheaper alternative that is really competing in lower price-class.
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The G is not a benchmark, the BMW 3-Series is a benchmark, when you hear BMW say they come out with a G35-killer then its something to get excited about, if Hyundai says i feel the value of my car come down lolll
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I would be ignorant to say that Hyundai isn't going to come out with a car that has more hp then the G35 that can probably out perform the G35. Car companies do this every year. Hyundai will probably do that. As far as it being a nice car is a different story. Dodge has its SRT-4 that can beat us all day long. Its turbocharged, But will it last or hold its resell value like the G35 or any other japanese car. I doubt it. Hyundai is a throw away car in my opinion good for first time college students, highschool students and a family 2nd car. There are alot of cars that aren't made well that can beat the G35. The g35 doesn't have that much HP. It has class, its a kind of car that turns heads. Body styling and refinement is what makes the G special not HP and Torque. If I wanted hp I would get a muscle car. And a muscle car is all that it is. Not as refined like the G. Thats just my 2 cents.
im hoping that was intentional, i just wet myself.
Originally Posted by techi13
i hope its true...
Corean Pride!!!!!
(not being racist, just believe that everyone should be proud of who they are)
Corean Pride!!!!!
(not being racist, just believe that everyone should be proud of who they are)
Originally Posted by techi13
i hope its true...
Corean Pride!!!!!
(not being racist, just believe that everyone should be proud of who they are)
Corean Pride!!!!!
(not being racist, just believe that everyone should be proud of who they are)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the origin of spelling "COREA" instead of the english spelling "KOREA" come from the fact that a lot of "KOREANS" dispise the Japanese (mainly for what they did to their families in WWII), that they dont want to spell it with a "K" that comes after the "J" spelling JAPAN. Therefore they spell it with a "C" which comes before the the "K" in the alphabet. Does that mean that since I am "T"aiwanese, that I just lost the asian ethnicity race to be first? LOL