So I'm reading this post and wondering... I have a Stillen intake and HKS Ti dual exhaust. Is there anything I can get (I see that someone mentioned CARB info for the HKS) and keep in my car for when I get pulled over? That way if a cop bugs me about the stuff, I can pull out the CARB paperwork from the glove box and show him?

Chippie, advice on how to help mitigate this when being pulled over?

 

For the intake did u get a sticker? But for the exhaust your going to have to get a violation to get a state ref sticker. Even if u show them the hks paper they are always going to ask for the EO number.

 

Look into my topic. I just a ticket like that in two weeks ago, and G35 chippie gave alot of comments.

There is nothing that will promise you that you will not get a ticket. You should have a EO number on the intake. Look it up on the CA air board, and print out the legal doc.. It will ensure you 95% safe. Meanwhile, there is only a noise approved doc. for HKS. You can ask around for that.

That's pretty much all you can do.

ps: Avoid 880 anytime. Or expect to drive like a grandmom.

 

I was just reading your thread Ken... Chippie said that there are no EO# requirements for cat-back exhaust systems. Any idea of where to ask around for the HKS legal docs you need? Ken, do you have a copy of it?

Also, I did not know CARB had intake info online. If I just go there and look up a Stillen intake for a G35, I can get the documentation I need huh? Interesting... I guess that's better than dealing with Stillen directly though

 

You need to carry CARB EO# documentation with you in the car for all parts that have been swapped out. As far as getting dB documentation, from what I understand, the only way you can prove that is to have the state ref do a dB test on the exhaust system. He will then put a sticker, probably on the driver's door pillar next to federal VIN plate, indicating the exhaust is compliant and under the 95 dB limit. So in other words, you have to get a ticket first. I don't think you can have the test done just because.

27150.2. (a) Stations providing referee functions pursuant to
Section 44036 of the Health and Safety Code shall provide for the
testing of vehicular exhaust systems and the issuance of certificates
of compliance only for those vehicles that have received a citation
for a violation of Section 27150 or 27151.
(b) A certificate of compliance for a vehicular exhaust system
shall be issued pursuant to subdivision (a) if the vehicle complies
with Sections 27150 and 27151. Exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles, other than motorcycles, with a manufacturer's gross vehicle
weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds comply with Sections 27150
and 27151 if they emit no more than 95 dbA when tested in accordance
with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998.
(c) An exhaust system certificate of compliance issued pursuant to
subdivision (a) shall identify, to the extent possible, the make,
model, year, license number, and vehicle identification number of the
vehicle tested, and the make and model of the exhaust system
installed on the vehicle.
(d) The station shall charge a fee for the exhaust system
certificate of compliance issued pursuant to subdivision (a). The
fee charged shall be calculated to recover the costs incurred by the
Department of Consumer Affairs to implement this section. The fees
charged by the station shall be deposited in the Vehicle Inspection
and Repair Fund established by Section 44062 of the Health and Safety
Code.
(e) Vehicular exhaust systems are exempt from the requirements of
Sections 27150 and 27151 if compliance with those sections, or the
regulations adopted pursuant thereto, would cause an unreasonable
hardship without resulting in a sufficient corresponding benefit with
respect to noise level control.

 

I haven't been pulled over for years because I've learned to behave myself,
but with my mods I could get pulled over any day. Why is it allright for the
CHP & Sheriff dept to let Harley pilots without ANY exhaust slide. I live in a
nice area where everyone has enough money to have toys and they all
think it's some kinda cool to ride Harleys that really sound like ****, are they
exempt from tickets? Here's a way to give Ca. some needed revinue!
Gary

 

good lord plus a major 1

harleys are ear deafening and sound like crap at the same time. not to mention big buses like amtrak and greyhound ahhh my ears literally bleed when they throttle up next to me

 

CARB info on aftermarket parts is availabe as a searchable database at http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...es/amquery.php. Got to "List Executive Orders By Device", and select "Air Filter/Intake Modification" from the pulldown menu.

FYI, from the database the following intakes are CARB-approved for the G:
JWT popcharger, EO D-244-5
K&N Typhoon, multiple EO numbers
Advanced Engineering Management air induction system, multiple EO numbers
Injen Cyborg, EO D-476-4
Weapon R Dragon, EO D-489-2

 

^Whoa, this thread is still alive.. hehehe.
FYI: regarding g35chippie's statement "He will then put a sticker, probably on the driver's door pillar next to federal VIN plate, indicating the exhaust is compliant and under the 95 dB limit".

I got the compliance sticker but the ref didn't put it on the car, he put it in the back of the ticket. When I asked why, he said that's where they want to put it in.

However, you will receive a print-out with sound-level and such so that should be enough for the police officer to not give you a modified exhaust ticket. BUT they could still pull-us over because we have a modified exhaust.

niM

 

G35Chippie:
This is for you. I hope you don't mind answering.

I'm running some scenarios in my head, so lets say I get pulled-over again and officer tells me I have a modified exhaust. I then present every single documentation I have for my exhaust (HKS documentation and most importantly the state-ref print-out). But say its been over a year since I've gotten that print-out from the ref, and the officer tries to give me a modified exhaust ticket anyways, or maybe even ANOTHER state-ref ticket. So officer comes-up to me, ask me to sign the ticket but I refuse arguing that its unfair blah blah blah, I have all the documentations blah blah blah.

How can I fight right then and there so that I don't actually get a ticket? Can I demand a sound-test on the spot and if he can't do it, then he can't give me a ticket? What would happen if I don't sign the ticket?

Thanks a lot man. I appreciate it.

niM

 

40302. Whenever any person is arrested for any violation of this
code, not declared to be a felony, the arrested person shall be taken
without unnecessary delay before a magistrate within the county in
which the offense charged is alleged to have been committed and who
has jurisdiction of the offense and is nearest or most accessible
with reference to the place where the arrest is made in any of the
following cases:
(a) When the person arrested fails to present his driver's license
or other satisfactory evidence of his identity for examination.
(b) When the person arrested refuses to give his written promise
to appear in court.
(c) When the person arrested demands an immediate appearance
before a magistrate.
(d) When the person arrested is charged with violating Section
23152.

Read inside the red box where you signed. It states, "without admitting guilt I promise to appear and the time and place indicated below." Your signature is your release from custody. If you don't sign, you get a special set of bracelets. We refer to it as a "shall" take. Your car goes to the tow yard, per 22651(h) VC, and you get to sit in jail for a few hours.

I don't cite 21751 because it says the exhaust system has to be over 95 dB. Uh, I don't carry a dB meter, and I'm not certified to perform the test. I cite 21750. I usually cite the people that have a hole in their muffler and it sound obnoxious. It just says "excessive and unusual noise." But read on....

27150.7. A court may dismiss any action in which a person is
prosecuted for operating a vehicle in violation of Section 27150 or
27151 if a certificate of compliance has been issued by a station
pursuant to Section 27150.2, or if the defendant had reasonable
grounds to believe that the exhaust system was in good working order
and had reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was not
operated in violation of Section 27150 or 27151.

The problem with citing motorcycles from what I understand, is there is no testing in place for them. It still doesn't relieve them from 21750 though and the rider can be cited.

 

there is always a grey area, just don't get caught, twice. G35 chippie probably not agree with this, but...the more you want to fight, the higher chance that you will **** off the cop and he will give you more trouble. It's just human nature IMO

 

Thanks for that link. FYI, Stillen has an EO number as well:

http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/de...o/D-436-12.pdf

Can someone point me to anything on HKS website that deals with all this mumbo jumbo.

Can we take some state money and pay someone to consolidate all these vehicle codes? You could pull over a car that just came off the assembly line and cite it for at least a dozen things...

I'm going to be constantly looking over my shoulder for "the man" when driving around the Bay now. I didn't know all this stuff was going on.

 

g35 chippie:
I surely don't want a bracelet. Thank you for that information.

I just think it would suck if we get pulled-over again because of the exhaust and get sent to the referee. It just seems from these stories I'm reading recently, some officers will just do whatever they want. Yeah sure the judge can waive the ticket off, but the time you have to spend to go to court, miss work, etc, too much hassle.

Welp, just gotta suck-it up I guess.

Another question if you don't mind. If I get a state-ref ticket again, I really hope not because I won't be doing any engine bolt-ons from now on (well for the G atleast). Can I just wait for my court-date, NOT go to the state-ref facility, and continue driving the car?

Thank you so much g35 chippie. We outta give you a free lunch or something with all these information you're handing out.. If I get to meet you in one of the meets, remind me to buy you lunch.

niM

 

G35 chippie ever going to come to a meet? U can bring the squad car and intimidate us hehehehe