Thats exactly what i was thinking, but I think i'll bite the bullet early here, what the hey.

 

it's not just the grounding point surfaces, corrosion can occur within the lines as well. hence, why you'd see more of a benefit on older vehicles.

 

still not clear why you wouldn't just replace the existing wires and clean the corroded surfaces. in more years when the secondary wires have oxidized would you add a tertiary set of wires?

 

lol, maybe you didn't catch my drift on my first post. i was hinting that putting these kits on new cars is useless. if you bought a kit? that's great, put it on when ur car gets older then you might see the benefits of better grounds. wanna rewire your harness and do a clean house? fine by me.

 

Saying that these are useless is not an accurate statement. Many of us have installed these kits on new cars and immediately seen a small, yet noticable difference.
I agree that the benefits will be that much more as the car ages, but to say these are useless is a false statement.

The fact is that this thread is going nowhere fast. Half of the people in here find the kits to not be worth the cost and the other half do... all due to the question of whether of not there is a benefit by installing them.

Bottom line is, if you have installed a kit in the past and didn't like it, don't install one now.
If you have $90 to pony up and wanna give it a whirl... do so. At the worst, you won't like it and you can sell it to someone else who is ready to buy.

 

useless is a subjective term, so inaccurate statement? please.

i apologize if i hurt your feelings. i'm just voicing my opinion. thaannnks--

 

I'm of the camp that these provide minimal gains if any. Any "noticing" of gains I chalk up to placebo effect.

I've noticed that for some reason everytime I fill up my tank of gas my car feels faster/more responsive despite adding more weight, same with oil changes and I change my oil every 2500 miles.

Post-modification/service we're always more receptive to things.

This is my opinion, it's the Internet, and it's my right to have this opinion even if you disagree with it. Have a nice day!

Example: I bet if we did a blind test where 100 G35 enthusiasts sent their cars through a smogcheckand out they came with grounding kits (enthusiasts have no knowledge) that not a single person would realize there was a difference when leaving the smogcheck.

 

Dude, you didn't hurt my feelings... no worries there.

How is the word "useless" a subjective term? Subjective would mean that it's based only on my opinion... based on my perspective or feelings. That's not the case here.
"Useless" is defined as "Without Use"

Your opinion is more than welcome and I certainly don't want to start an argument, but you called this kit useless. Too many people have posted their thoughts and it's affects after it's installation, and they have not found this to be "without use".

Like I said, this thread is going nowhere.

 

Also not trying to start an argument, but , "too many people have posted their thoughts and it's affects after it's installation, and they have not found this to be "without use"." All of those thoughts are subjective. No one has provided any objective data stating that this mod is not useless.

Seriously, every other performance mod has objective data backing it up even if it's minimal, but there is no objective data for a grounding kit.

I continue to support the fact that any subjective opinions of this modification is directly related to placebo effect.

Additionally, this same exact thread exists on EVERY single new car message forum on the Internet. Every single one exists exactly as this thread does, no verifiable proof that it does anything. As far as older cars with bad grounding kits, there continues to be no verifiable proof that replacing old grounding wires with new grounding kits results in ANY benefit over replacing them with new, stock grounding wires. One cannot try to make objective data by comparing old/corroded stock wires with new/enhanced one. Comparisons must be made for like-condition products, and no objective evidence exists that new grounding kits provide any benefit over OEM grounding wires.

All arguments regarding grounding kits are subjective. I've even seen attempted cases of proof being, "Well Stillen is a reputable company and they make them so that means they must do something." That argument is not valid. I tend to think the appropriate quote should be.

"Well Stillen is a reputable, business that pays its employees and they make grounding kits because there is a market for them." Additionally, for some show cars grounding kits look nice in an engine bay (when everything is polished, chromed, neatly put together, etc.).

All this subjective grounding kit stuff just feeds the machine and keeps this modification around.

Again, my opinion...

On a final note, I'll add (although I'm guilty for this not being factual, but): with car companies squeezing every bit of power out of engines, why wouldn't they put beefy grounding kits in from the factory. There are no downsides to it, only upsides (no additional noise, no affect on fuel economy, improved performance/reliability). It seems like a no brainer for car companies to spend the extra $20 in cost to make grounding kits sufficient, but I think they know that the existing grounds work and there's no reason to overdo it.

 

 

Just installed. Placebo or not I do feel the throttle response got better.
Maybe the shifting in automatic also but the throttle response is the reason I even considered this kit. The lag when I punched it to when it responded was giving me whiplash. Running nice well see if this effect placebo or not wears off.

All other thing mentioned, (radio, power) nothing noticed.

My 2 cents.

 

At least your man enough to admit the possibility of placebo.

 

Unless we all have a dyno built into our asses, placebo always has to be considered.

But I am satisfied in my own purchase that I feel enough of a difference in throttle response to justify my 90 buck investment plus my labor on installation.

And they look good too. ;-)

 

I was a bit iffy about this one too.
The grounding kit has been in my trunk for a while now decided to do it last night.
and i honestly gotta admit the Volume did deff. go up!!
as for the throttle it does feel smoother on the changes.!

I noticed the changes since im in my car about 4 hrs a day!
driving from Riverside to L.A everyday!

so on the kit i had the stillen ones and

 

Thats great

I had the stillen ones too and i through that **** in the garbage.