I'm planning on getting some Varrstoen ES7R's for my 04 coupe.
19x9.5 and 19x10.5 +22 all the way around. I'm gonna roll the fenders and probably get coils, but I was wondering what is a good sized tire to put on them if I still want to see some meat. I don't like the tucked look and want an aggressive look.
I see most get a 35. Is 40 too tall?
For those sizes I would get 255/35 front and 285/30 rear. That should be plenty of meat for those wheels. You could up the ratios to 40 and 35 respectively if you want a taller sidewall.
I'm trying to get some xxr wheels but I'm not sure if what I want to pick will fit in my stock car. I'm trying to get 18x8.75 +20 offset (front) 18x9.75 +20 offset (rear). Will I have fitment issues? Will I have to roll my fenders?
I'm trying to get some xxr wheels but I'm not sure if what I want to pick will fit in my stock car. I'm trying to get 18x8.75 +20 offset (front) 18x9.75 +20 offset (rear). Will I have fitment issues? Will I have to roll my fenders?
I think you should be fine with those specs on a stock car.
For those sizes I would get 255/35 front and 285/30 rear. That should be plenty of meat for those wheels. You could up the ratios to 40 and 35 respectively if you want a taller sidewall.
That would be a very poor choice of sizes if one wished to minimize VDC activation. AFAIK all VDC equipped cars have about a 2.5% taller rear wheel than front. On my G35 6MT the rears are 2.4% taller. That is the goal, that is what VDC expects to see. The further my wheel sizes stray from that, the more easily VDC will activate. 255/35/19 and 285/30/19 is -1.1% in the rear- that's a 3.6% deviation from stock. That size combo may work, particularly if you're not an aggressive driver. But I hate it when VDC kicks in, and will do what I can to make it less of a nuisance. 255/35 and 275/35 or 285/35 are both very close to stock ratio, 2.1% and 3.2% taller in rear respectively, a 0.4% and 0.7% deviation from stock. Those sizes are also very close to actual stock diameter (on a 6MT), so ride height wouldn't be affected.
That would be a very poor choice of sizes if one wished to minimize VDC activation. AFAIK all VDC equipped cars have about a 2.5% taller rear wheel than front. On my G35 6MT the rears are 2.4% taller. That is the goal, that is what VDC expects to see. The further my wheel sizes stray from that, the more easily VDC will activate. 255/35/19 and 285/30/19 is -1.1% in the rear- that's a 3.6% deviation from stock. That size combo may work, particularly if you're not an aggressive driver. But I hate it when VDC kicks in, and will do what I can to make it less of a nuisance. 255/35 and 275/35 or 285/35 are both very close to stock ratio, 2.1% and 3.2% taller in rear respectively, a 0.4% and 0.7% deviation from stock. Those sizes are also very close to actual stock diameter (on a 6MT), so ride height wouldn't be affected.
That would be a very poor choice of sizes if one wished to minimize VDC activation. AFAIK all VDC equipped cars have about a 2.5% taller rear wheel than front. On my G35 6MT the rears are 2.4% taller. That is the goal, that is what VDC expects to see. The further my wheel sizes stray from that, the more easily VDC will activate. 255/35/19 and 285/30/19 is -1.1% in the rear- that's a 3.6% deviation from stock. That size combo may work, particularly if you're not an aggressive driver. But I hate it when VDC kicks in, and will do what I can to make it less of a nuisance. 255/35 and 275/35 or 285/35 are both very close to stock ratio, 2.1% and 3.2% taller in rear respectively, a 0.4% and 0.7% deviation from stock. Those sizes are also very close to actual stock diameter (on a 6MT), so ride height wouldn't be affected.
Note the diameter difference, and start plugging alternate size combos in, trying to match it. The numbers don't lie.
I thought the tolerated difference was 3% from the front and rear sizes, without respect to the OEM sizes. I know plenty of people who have run that size on 19 and 20 inch setups without issue or VDC going crazy. I think as long as the front and rear overall diameters are within 3% of each other VDC will not be an issue.
That would be a very poor choice of sizes if one wished to minimize VDC activation. AFAIK all VDC equipped cars have about a 2.5% taller rear wheel than front. On my G35 6MT the rears are 2.4% taller. That is the goal, that is what VDC expects to see. The further my wheel sizes stray from that, the more easily VDC will activate. 255/35/19 and 285/30/19 is -1.1% in the rear- that's a 3.6% deviation from stock. That size combo may work, particularly if you're not an aggressive driver. But I hate it when VDC kicks in, and will do what I can to make it less of a nuisance. 255/35 and 275/35 or 285/35 are both very close to stock ratio, 2.1% and 3.2% taller in rear respectively, a 0.4% and 0.7% deviation from stock. Those sizes are also very close to actual stock diameter (on a 6MT), so ride height wouldn't be affected.
Note the diameter difference, and start plugging alternate size combos in, trying to match it. The numbers don't lie.
The car cannot tell what size tires are on it, the sensors can only see how much speed variation there is between the front and rear wheels. As long as the overall diameter between the front and rear tires is under 3% than there should not be an issue.
My ride is an 07 Coupe non brembo.
I just purchaed a set of Work vs xx step lip. Looking for a flush look, dont want to have a very negative camber as would like to get good tire life.
My set up is:
Front @20"x 9.5 +19 A Disc
Rear @ 20"x 10.5 + 17 O Disc.
Tires: F 245/35/20 R 275/35/20
Ive done some reaserch and it seems that with this setup just rolling fenders flat F& R i should be ok with no rubbing. As far as suspension ive got BC coilovers, SPC rear camber kits.
Could you guys give me some insite? I just placed the order and would hate to have the wrong offset.
base on some info here, theres a guy running this setup and from the picture it seems to be nice and flush and not alot of negative camber. According to the info hes running 19x9.5 +19 front, 19x10.5+17 rear.
The car cannot tell what size tires are on it, the sensors can only see how much speed variation there is between the front and rear wheels.
When our wheels have traction, the height/diameter/radius/circumference (all these can be compared to each other for our purpose) difference between front and rear is exactly what affects speed variation between front and rear. That is exactly what I was talking about in my post, not just tire "size".
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As long as the overall diameter between the front and rear tires is under 3% than there should not be an issue.
Really, you think Nissan engineers designed VDC to work best with 4 tires of equal size, and then proceeded to install that system in their flagship sport cars and equip them with a 2.5% height difference, knowing that 3% was around the tolerance point? That would be ridiculous. Furthermore, by your logic, one could run a setup where the front tire was 2.9% taller than rear. Why don't you try that? Scour the boards- that don't work too well. Through trial and error, common collective wisdom seems to have arrived at the knowledge that to avoid VDC problems, fronts should never be larger, and rears can be larger by about an inch. Why is that? Because Nissan engineers were sensible enough to design VDC to work best with the size ratio front/rear that they were actually putting on their cars, ie about 2.5% taller in rear. So, like I said, determine the front/rear % difference in height that was OEM on your car, and that % is your center point, NOT 0%.
I thought the tolerated difference was 3% from the front and rear sizes, without respect to the OEM sizes. I know plenty of people who have run that size on 19 and 20 inch setups without issue or VDC going crazy. I think as long as the front and rear overall diameters are within 3% of each other VDC will not be an issue.
Define VDC "going crazy". On OEM sized tires, whenever one of the rear wheels slips even a remote amount VDC kicks in and starts to shut things down. This is most annoying to me when accelerating out of a turn, particularly a turn I'm trying to take at max speed. If a rear wheel breaks free mid corner I want to use my skill as a driver to rectify the situation, not have VDC simply cut my throttle. Many people (perhaps most) seldom or never drive so aggressively. For them, having front/rear height slightly out of spec might never be noticed. But I would notice if VDC activated just a little sooner than it already does, if it took just a little less slip to close my throttle, and it would bug the hell out me. So, in summary, if your main goal is visual appearance and/or just going fast in a straightish line, then there can be substantial variation with front/rear heights that will work without VDC "going crazy". But if you intend to push your car to it's limits frequently, any substantial deviation (3% seems to be the accepted figure) from your stock front to rear height ratio will seem like VDC "going crazy", and deviations lesser than that will likely still be noticed (ie cause VDC to kick in sooner under very aggressive driving).
Really, you think Nissan engineers designed VDC to work best with 4 tires of equal size, and then proceeded to install that system in their flagship sport cars and equip them with a 2.5% height difference, knowing that 3% was around the tolerance point? That would be ridiculous. Furthermore, by your logic, one could run a setup where the front tire was 2.9% taller than rear. Why don't you try that? Scour the boards- that don't work too well. Through trial and error, common collective wisdom seems to have arrived at the knowledge that to avoid VDC problems, fronts should never be larger, and rears can be larger by about an inch. Why is that? Because Nissan engineers were sensible enough to design VDC to work best with the size ratio front/rear that they were actually putting on their cars, ie about 2.5% taller in rear. So, like I said, determine the front/rear % difference in height that was OEM on your car, and that % is your center point, NOT 0%.
Nobody here knows how the engineers programmed the damn system. And I already know about the percentage difference with stock tires. If you want to go ahead and run a stupid experiment like running a larger tire on front than be my guest.
I purchase tires based on keeping the front and rear tires CLOSE to equal diameter and it hasn't failed me in the 6 years I've owned the car. Since I've been on this forum the "3% rule" that was stated has worked many times for members.
If you don't like how sensitive the VDC is than do what many members do and turn it off. Either you don't know how to accelerate out of a turn or you have sh!tty tires.
Nobody here knows how the engineers programmed the damn system. And I already know about the percentage difference with stock tires. If you want to go ahead and run a stupid experiment like running a larger tire on front than be my guest.
Please reread my post. I was saying running larger tires in front is a BAD idea.
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I purchase tires based on keeping the front and rear tires CLOSE to equal diameter and it hasn't failed me in the 6 years I've owned the car. Since I've been on this forum the "3% rule" that was stated has worked many times for members.
Once again, if you reread what I've said, you'll see that I've already included the idea that running front/rear tires of equal diameter would be acceptable, just not ideal. Given that our stock value is around 2.5% taller in rear, front and rears being equal would be a 2.5% deviation from stock, within the "3% rule". Furthermore, by your own acknowledgement that running taller in front is a bad idea, and your acceptance of the 3% rule, you validate my claim that VDC is designed around having taller rears. If VDC were designed around front/rear being equal, the 3% rule would allow you to run 3% taller in front, which you yourself know to be a bad idea.
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If you don't like how sensitive the VDC is than do what many members do and turn it off.
I do turn it off if I have an inkling that I'll be driving "spiritedly", but my g is a dd, and as we all know, the VDC switch has no memory- it is reset to ON every time the car is started. So, on those frequent occasions where I've forgotten to turn it off and find the need or desire to play with my car's edges, why not minimize VDC's impact by selecting tire sizes as intelligently as possible?
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Either you don't know how to accelerate out of a turn or you have sh!tty tires.
At first I thought I wouldn't even respond to this- I have yet to stoop to personal affront in this debate, why even bother responding to one. But really? I'd say you simply aren't bold enough to push your car's edge, or you only drive fast on a nice predictable track. Who out there who's pushing their car's edge in the real world doesn't frequently experience a situation mid-turn, when you're maxing out g-force car is capable of, and suddenly, there's a dip/bump in the road, or a pothole, and one of the rear tires breaks loose a bit. It don't matter if you have the best or worst tires, a truly adventurous and skilled driver will push the capabilities of their car, if for no other reason than just to know where it's limits are, and finding it's limits necessarily involves pushing it beyond at some points- how else can you truly determine the edge? If you don't experience a loss in cornering traction once a while, than you, herrschaft, are boring, and probably not such a great driver either because you have limited experience in recovering your poise in such emergencies (unless you've already paid your dues and graduated to track only, where maintaining speed and traction are all that matter). And, I'm a good enough driver to handle such situations on my own without VDC (thus far, knock on wood), thank you very much, and I'll do what I can to keep VDC from interfering with my relationship with driving (short of remembering to turn it off every single time I get in the car, or buying one of the units that disable it- maybe that'll come later).
At first I thought I wouldn't even respond to this- I have yet to stoop to personal affront in this debate, why even bother responding to one. But really? I'd say you simply aren't bold enough to push your car's edge, or you only drive fast on a nice predictable track. Who out there who's pushing their car's edge in the real world doesn't frequently experience a situation mid-turn, when you're maxing out g-force car is capable of, and suddenly, there's a dip/bump in the road, or a pothole, and one of the rear tires breaks loose a bit. It don't matter if you have the best or worst tires, a truly adventurous and skilled driver will push the capabilities of their car, if for no other reason than just to know where it's limits are, and finding it's limits necessarily involves pushing it beyond at some points- how else can you truly determine the edge? If you don't experience a loss in cornering traction once a while, than you, herrschaft, are boring, and probably not such a great driver either because you have limited experience in recovering your poise in such emergencies (unless you've already paid your dues and graduated to track only, where maintaining speed and traction are all that matter). And, I'm a good enough driver to handle such situations on my own without VDC (thus far, knock on wood), thank you very much, and I'll do what I can to keep VDC from interfering with my relationship with driving (short of remembering to turn it off every single time I get in the car, or buying one of the units that disable it- maybe that'll come later).
I have a twin turbo G that's pushing 490whp and have been to various drag strips and road courses on many occasions. As well as many windy, mountain roads here in SoCal. So yes, I've had my car to its limits many times and have even exceeded them on a few occasions.
Unless you get with the car's designers at Nissan people here can only assume what they think is optimal. I follow a "general rule" that works for me and most others. Like I said before, if you're concerned so much about the VDC than press the little button to the left of the steering wheel.
04 Sedan - Starting to buy parts, plan to run 18x9.5 +38 rear (already have these) and 18x8.5 +33 front. To begin with I'll be using springs for about a 1.5" drop, unsure of which I will go with.
What tire sizes would be good? And will I need a camber kit? Thank you
Most drivers on here will recommend camber kits with any drop, just to make the tires last longer which makes sense.
Is your sedan AWD? This will better determine what tires sizes you need if you choose to run a staggered set up on AWD.
